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UK Driving test-Traffic lights; what is the correct rule?

According to the Highway Code, amber always means 'stop'.
But my driving instructor is adamant that when amber is flashing at a crossing, you can go on providing the way is clear. Helpfully the HC doesn't even mention flashing amber!

I have pointed this out to him, but he says that were I to wait for the lights to change to Green, the examiner would mark it as a mistake.

So can someone confirm what is the correct rule? And perhaps explain why the Highway code is apparently giving out duff information?

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs01.htm
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I'm inclined to go with my instructor's advice, since i KNOW that he's successfully got many people through their test.
It just pisses me off that the Highway code should be wrong. What else is it wrong about?




Olympicles
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He is correct. When the SOLID amber light is amber you must stop unless stopping would cause an accident. When the FLASHING amber light shows - you will have already stopped on Red or Amber. So, if it is clear, you may procede.


BoyRacer
At a pelican crossing you must proceed if there is no longer anyone on the crossing (they must be on the footings/pavement). You can fail your test if you don't go on a flashing amber when its clear.


lulu
Listen to your instructor. He is right.
What do you pay him for?


Stephman01
Amber does mean stop. But flashing amber means 'give way to pedestrians', the flashing amber phase of a pelican crossing, or a zebra crossing. If amber is flashing and the way is clear you should start to move, you instructor is correct on this point.


Hiyawaffa
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Listen very carefully i will say this only once! LISTEN to what your driving instructor is teaching you its your money you will be waisting if you do not. good luck.


telboy everton forever
this is at a pelican crossing if the amber light is flashing and the road ahead is clear and no one using the crossing you may proceed so your instructor is correct,i am also an instructor


Frank
Yeah, the instructor is correct. You can proceed with caution if clear.


focus
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You are getting the two places mixed up. At traffic lights at a junction you should stop at the amber light unless you are far too close to stop safely when the amber appears. You should not go on until the green light comes on. At a pedestrian crossing controlled by traffic lights the flashing amber comes on after the red so you may go on providing the crossing is clear. (This flashing light is to allow traffic to proceed in those cases where pedestrians have finished using the crossing, thus avoiding an unnecessary queue of traffic)


norfolkgal89
yeah your driving instructer is right,flashin amber means give way to pple already on the crossing,if theres no on then u can go


Joan el guiri
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I think you should read your Highway code again. You obviously have not studied sufficiently.

Have a look at page 46 ( I looked it up just for you!) para 172 'Pelican crossings'.

Your instructor is correct.


 
He is right. At a pelican crossing. I think the Amber light starts flashing after the red light gone off and amber flashes before turning to green. When it starts flashing if the crossing is clear and no one there you can precede with caution and go.


Rob K
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Flashing amber is different to steady amber.

The correct rule is...

GREEN - You may go.

STEADY AMBER - You must stop - if it is safe to do so. 3 second rule approaching a traffic light. If the car behind you is too close, then you may take avoiding action by driving through on a steady amber light.

RED - You must stop.

RED and AMBER together, you must be stopped but you may get ready to proceed (check mirrors and get in gear)

GREEN - You may go.

On pedestrian crossings, the RED and AMBER is replaced by a FLASHING AMBER.

FLASHING AMBER - You must be stopped but you may get ready to proceed (check mirrors and get in gear)

or, if you are approaching a pedestrian crossing and the crossing is clear and the amber light is flashing, you may proceed, otherwise give way to whoever is using the crossing.

Hope this is clear.


funnelweb
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The rule is, that amber is a caution that red is next and should therefore be treated as a stop light unless you are so close that trying to stop would be hazardous. The flashing amber means it's ok to go if you are cautious and no one is on the crossing.


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Your instructor is correct. I have copied the relevant rule it from www.highwaycode.gov.uk

172: Pelican crossings. These are signal-controlled crossings where flashing amber follows the red 'Stop' light. You MUST stop when the red light shows. When the amber light is flashing, you MUST give way to any pedestrians on the crossing. If the amber light is flashing and there are no pedestrians on the crossing, you may proceed with caution.

Therefore:-

The general rule is only pass an amber flashing light if it is safe (ie the crossing is clear). You only have an amber flashing light on a pelican crossing. All other crossings (puffin, toucan and pegasis etc) all have a steady amber. You must not proceed through a steady amber light unless it is dangerous to stop (so if it goes amber as you approach and you dont have time to stop safely). In many ways it is the same rule that applies to a zebra crossing. The amber belicia beacon is always flashing, but you only stop if the crossing is in use or about to be used. Your examiner would fault you for waiting at an empty pelican or zebra crossing with a flashing amber, and fault you for passing through a solid amber light at all other crossings unless it was too dangerous to stop. The level of fault would depend on the situation at the time. If you caused serious inconvenience or danger to other road users, it could be a serious or dangerous fault and result in a failed test.

Hope this helps, and good luck with your test.


christine w
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with regard to the highway code, i dont think the info is duff, it just isnt going intot the types of traffic signals, and crossings that are lights controlled. you must not confuse a junction of traffic lights with crossings, as there are different types, and maybe the highway code is being a bit too general.
there are several types of crossings, suprised me when i started training as a driving instructor, pelican, puffin, zebra etc etc.
According to the dept of transport book on traffic signals: "Amber means stop. you may only go no if the amber appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident". this is the rule for traffic signals.

there are different sequences for pedestrian crossings though, and this is where your instructor is correct. at a pelican crossing, if the amber light is flashing you must give way to pedestrians who are crossing, but do not encourage others to cross, flash your lights to encourage others to cross or rev your engine impatiently.


rowdy
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The flashing amber means "give way to people already on the crossing" If there is no-one on the crossing when the amber is flashing, you don't have to stop.

It *is* mentioned in the HC - rule number 172.


Twisted_Ace
The rule regarding the flashing amber at pelican crossings IS in the Highway Code - it is Rule 172.


vdv_desantnik
as far as i recall from my test it means you must give way to people already on the crossing and if it is clear you may proceed with caution. unlikely as it is the examiner may mark it as a minor mistake not necessarily a test failure as youre erring on the side of caution if I was the examiner itd be a plus point with me that youre not eager to floor it!

Good luck


Fred C
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The standard is pretty universal. With flashing amber you have to be prepared to stop. If the flashing amber is the warning that the light is about to turn red, you stop if you are far enough to stop safely, you go through if you are so close it is not safe. A flashing amber signal means that a motorist may go ahead with care if the road is clear, giving way to pedestrians and to other road vehicles that may have priority. The single flashing amber signal is used in the UK and Australia at Pelican crossings.


fred405
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Really your question is complicated by the two types of lights
Traffic lights are one thing
Pedestrian control crossing lights are another
Traffic light as at junctions etc Red is STOP, Amber also means STOP and only Green means GO. So the order is Red (stop) then Red and Amber(stop) but be prepared to go and Green(go) providing it is safe to do so. Then down to Amber only and this means stop unless it would not be safe to do so then Red and this means you must stop
Crossing lights are different and I believe the HC states Red is stop, flashing Amber is proceed if the crossing is clear and it is safe to do so and Green is go again providing that it is safe to do so
The HC describe them as Pelican or Toucan crossing controlled by lights
Now question your instructor and ask if he or she would show you where they are in the HC and go through it with you.
You are paying him or her a reasonable amount of money and this is basic stuff that they should have gone through with you
Good luck and keep the roads safe


WelshLad
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Flashing amber on a crossing, means you can go if clear.
What you see on the HC is a steady amber not flashing.
This is the one you should be looking at:
http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/18.htm#172

lord_darkclaw - we are referring to the HC, I think it's you that should refer to it.


Ian F
A FLASHING Amber means proceed with caution - this condition follows a red light.

If the amber light is flashing and someone is waiting to cross you must stop. If thre is noone at the crossing, you can proceed with caution.

The sequence is Red, Flashing Amber, Green and is found on Pelican Crossings.

A STEADY Amber means prepare to stop


colin872966
Your instructor is 100% correct, the highway code is not that clear on a few things


mickel
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your instructor is right.


Lord_Darkclaw
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There is no "flashing amber light": it's either amber for "stop" or red and amber:

From the Highway Code:
"RED AND AMBER also means 'Stop'. Do not pass through or start until GREEN shows"

It doesn't matter what anyone else says, the Highway Code is the final word on the subject except in the event of unusual circumstances. If anyone disputes it, refer them to the Highway Code - any Police Officer or Judge would do the same.

Oh wait a sec - I think I'm mixing Zebra with Pelican.
At a zebra crossing, yes you should proceed with caution as it is not a traffic-control crossing, but not at a pelican crossing.


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