What would you do if?

Lexi C

i would call the police to guard my house every night and file a complaint about someone threating me, and have a private detective or someone check this person out

Felicita1

Any form of coercion should be illegal. But unfortunately, there is a entire industry that depends on it.

A criminal offense was committed by the hospital that took my son for adoption. Abduction is a felony offense.

Check the California Penal Code, which is almost the same wording as most penal and criminal codes in any other state or country: "Every person, not having a right to custody, who maliciously takes, entices away, keeps, withholds, or conceals any child with the intent to detain or conceal that child from a lawful custodian shall be punished by... "etc.

Taking a child at birth, withholding that child from its mother for no legally valid reason, concealing that child by keeping the mother drugged and in another section of the hospital, having her sign papers while still heavily drugged ... are we "abandoners" when all this is done to ensure that we can't keep our children?

Linny G

Good girl. I admire your persistence.

For my n mom, she stayed at a Catholic Charities baby mill for 3 months. She changed her mind before the papers were to be signed. They told her they would have to charge her thousands of dollars for her stay and for my delivery and face "jail time" for falsifying a legal contract.(mind you, no final adoption papers were signed yet) Plus, I would then be put up for adoption anyway because she was in jail. Sounds like coercion to me. It happened then, and it still happens now. They are sneakier now, its more subtle. Pre-birth matching for instance. Its all so sick and twisted.

Independ"ant"

Many women in Guatemala did stand up to the kidnappers and have ended up dead and their bodies were dumped off in their village as a message. Now that adoption by foreigners has halted....there has been a steep drop in murders specifically of Mayan women.

In some countries like Guatemala your post isn't extreme in the least.

thelma louise

get the police involved

sam22254

It's not. Oh by the way a father can call and say someone stole his baby from the hospital with out his consent for adoption and the FBI, CPS or even the governor won't do a thing. But when the father finally finds the child and it's been a while than everyone says leave the child there because the child has bonded with these kidnappers. I say sue the --- out of them make them think again before they try stealing again I know in turkey if you steal they cut your hand off I bet we would see a lot of one handed adoption couples. What do you think?

tish_part deux

i hear you camira. and i totally support your fight for your baby. as i've stated before, there's a special place in hell for your child's adoptive parents and the agency that did this.

also, it's very easy for those who have not been in the situation to say what they would or would not do. especially if their frame of reference is "suburbia high school" or "we are all the same" ville.

i'd ignore those folks. at some point, they will get slapped in the mouth with "life" and will wake from their utopia.

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ironcially, i just discussed with a student why he found it unbelievable that many enslaved women drowned their babies at birth to prevent them for being sold. in his opinion, these women were "murderers who took away any chance of these children for escaping their oppressors. in his words, "not all slaves folded to the pressure of the masters. some actually fought back and escaped (i suggested he do a bit more research on what happened when the enslaved people escaped); and by killing this child, she (the mother) prevented the child from having a chance at freedom."

i gave him some reading (and not the antiseptic sh!t they peddle in the public schools) to help free his mind...

some people will NEVER get it. primarily because it is UNNATURAL to take a child from his/her mother. as such, many can't believe that someone was forced into it; yet are just selfish, immoral, abandoners who gave up their kid..

just like some believe the world is flat, all men are treated fairly under the law, and racism is over due to obama's election.

ignatz

If any of this is REAL? Then you can go to local child services and /or the police.
So, if very real, do it now!!!

gypsywinter

""Taking a child at birth, withholding that child from its mother for no legally valid reason, concealing that child by keeping the mother drugged and in another section of the hospital, having her sign papers while still heavily drugged ... are we "abandoners" when all this is done to ensure that we can't keep our children?""

I was knocked out for the birth of my first child when I was 18 yrs old and unmarried. When I awoke there was a nurse in my room..I asked.."Did I have a boy or a girl". I was told.."You don't need to know 'the baby' is up for adoption". I persisted with my questioning (no easy task in the condition I was, but I had to know)..I was then told I had a girl. I don't remember how long after or which day..I asked the nurse to see my baby, the nurse said to me.."You cannot see 'the baby', 'the baby' is up for adoption and if I let you see 'the baby' I could lose my job." Again I managed to find a specter of my voice, telling the nurse.."She is still my baby, I haven't signed any papers". The nurse said OK, on the ONE CONDITION that I PROMISE to sign the papers when they were brought to my hospital room, IF she 'allowed' me to see 'the baby'...sadly I PROMISED. I had no legal representation, I was in a room by myself and allowed no visitors. I had to see my baby...and I did get to see her and hold her for a few minutes...then she was whisked away and the papers brought to my hospital bed, I signed. I would not see 'my baby' again for 34 years nor know where she was for those 34 years.

myst1998

Hey Camira...

I admire your tenacity... some people just don't want to believe coercion exists and babies are stolen. Says more about them don't you think? Obviously some of the posters here today are a little more than angry about being adopted and are taking their hatred out on other mothers and adoptees. Sad for them.

And yes these things have happened... along with babies being kidnapped, their mohers shot and babies sold on the black market to the highest bidder. Coercion happens in many shapes and forms.

But why are we trying to convince the unbelievers? They need to prove to US that it didn't happen and that is a hell of a lot harder than they think cos they weren't there when it happened and can only spin their worthless theories. Like trying to persuade a woman who is bashed, raped and half dead that she wasn't bashed or raped... its a lot harder without facts. I have at least my court documents and statements from those around me who attest to what I say as well as a **** load of research that backs up what I say. These angry losers have nothing; just their hate speech. You know what you went through... they can't change it just because they hate what you say... for a start they are not you and have not expereinced your life so you are already on higher ground. Good on you for persisting though.

You keep fighting girl!

Beth K

If you know it is coming - the threats have been made - then the police are the only option for protection. Moving far, far away. Changing your name. I'd do anything to protect my kids if I had the fore-knowledge that someone was threatening them.

If I did not know that this was coming (as you describe in your additional details) than yeah, I'd sign the papers but regardless of signing or not someone sticks a gun to another's head you'd be only so lucky to ever walk away regardless of your choice.

meintjiela

This is serious. Anyway if someone does something like this to me I will go one a killing rampage. Get them one by one. People who do things like this doesn't realise how vulnerable they are.

Curious Kelsey

If you give up your baby for adoption because of a threat from someone else then that just makes you a coward! You do what you can to keep your child out of harms way!! You can seek private housing were no one will no where you live!! If you are that terrified and just give up that baby you would be no kind of parent!! So yea you would be an abandoner. As far as the other question, as a good parent you should have good hard evidence of that child being dead!!

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