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Owen Newitt's duck
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I think anybody who can't prove Pictish ancestry should be deported or recycled into something useful. |
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the boss
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I'm getting taxed to the point of not being able to live to pay for this lot.
Am now paying my bills on credit cards.
That wont last much longer. |
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jamand
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I agree BUT why seperate out India & Pakistan - we have been paying them BILLIONS in aid packages for years and all they do is P*ss it down the pan.
The same to other countries as well - BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of pounds in aid - and it just gets pi**ed down the swanny.
Blame our politicians for allowing it to happen - |
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ez f
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Some degree of migration is always normal and always happens, but there is clearly a problem, such as we have in the United States when virtually an entire country wants to move to your country. Yes, if the great majority of Mexicans are poor and want to move to the USA so they can earn minimum wage in american dollars, something is wrong with that country, and the bottom line is those poor migrants are giving up on their own country instead of fighting or revolting to take down the broken corrupt governmental economic system that oppresses them. If Mexicans were forced to stay in Mexico, things would have to get better, as the pressure would mount on the elite and aristocracy to have a more equitable system with better opportunities for all. I think you make a good point, in that there comes a time when you have to wonder why is it that so many people want to leave x country and flee elsewhere..especially if those new illegals as in the case of the USA take away jobs from citizens and depress their wages in addition to dwindling scarce social services such as funds for education, health care etc....
But I am afraid that the real answer as to why such things are allowed to happen is outright greed by those in power to bring in as much cheap labor into their country as possible as it helps them make more profits. They could care less what happens to the great majority of the country or who pays for the free education of the kids of migrants or their health care. |
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greybeard
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I know of the wrongs the UK did in India, Pakistan etc so I can't begrudge people from those countries coming here, we are partly to blame for their poverty. WHAT ROT! why should we take the blame!!! |
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Thracian
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I think you should have listened better in history class. The mess in their countries is due to the Russian occupation that lasted almost 50 years. The Allies decided the fate of Europe after WW2 and they did a lot of wrong decisions including giving up all of Eastern Europe to Russia which was undemocratic and oppressive even back then. But let's not blame the past. Let's look at the present. If the UK was as good as you make it sound, then why are hundreds of thousands of British (born and raised) leaving it every year? The NHS is just a joke considering how much has been invested in it over the years and it's still inefficient and people still wait for months for an operation. Your country is giving out work permits for high skilled workers like hotcakes because the "free" education system you're on about can't produce the skilled people your country needs.
The countries you mention (except for Czechoslovakia that doesn't exist) are sorting out their own problems. You should sort out yours first. And trust me, the Polish cleaner that does a minimum wage job is the last of them. The main problem for your social system are people who don't put anything in it but take a lot - trailer trash like Vicky Pollard and her three babies from four different men. |
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Rommel
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we are not!! to blaim for India or Pakistans poverty. why does every body allways look to the negative. we found them in poverty and cruelty. we left them with an infrastructure. railways roads medical science engenering the combustion engin electricity....OH!! the list is endless but i have to say that had we not gon there they would still be in mud huts slaughtering each outher as they were when we arrived! and did as soon as we left. i am sic of Britain being the fall guy for every happless lazy son of a ***** country that hasnt the brains or the bottle to drag they're lazy @rses into the modern world. |
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clint_slicker
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Why should a non British National get anything before a British National.
Legal immigrants put a lot into this country and with the high amount of people who don't want to work on the dole, not a case of not finding work simply don't want to, they don't deserve any criticism.
First we have enough problem at home so most aid should be stopped. The money could be better invested in the UK. Council houses should go to British Nationals then EU Nationals then finally Legal Immigrants. Asylum seekers should be locked up until there processing in complete then either shipped out or placed in a special camp and give 6 month work permit, every 6 months they can be reviewed and either given another work permit or sent home.
The government also needs to sort out the dole problem. We can hardly criticize people for coming and work when large number of British people don't want to. The dole should be given for 6 months after that you earn extra time, 3 months every year worked. The government should only cover two kids as well, it would stop people having 12 kids as they would only get benefits for 2 of them.
Once the government has sorted out pensions, NHS, Public transport, etc then it can start trying to look out for everyone else again.
Britian has already done alot for these countries. It's funny how places like Canada, Austalia, New Zealand, Malta, Hong Kong, Etc have done well but places left on an equal footing have failed like Zimbarwe, Nigeria, India, Pakistan, etc |
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claire b
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For someone who allegedly has a history degree, you aren't showing an awful lot of maturity or open minded-ness.
What if Britain was in the same position as these countries, and the only way your family could survive was to move elsewhere for a better life? Would you be saying "oh no, thats not fair on them having to support and help me, I'll just carry on living in poverty"? No, I think not.
We all have a duty to help each other, because we are human beings. Its not about owing anybody anything, its about being in the postion whereby we can help people less fortunate than ourselves.
Grow up, and I hope you are never in the position where you have to ask for help. |
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lloyk
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You cannot ask of low-class workers from a country to "sort out a country".
They will always migrate wherever the conditions seem better.
As for Poland / Czechoslovakia /Bulgaria /Romania ... they start to look better and better.
I took a 1 month trip this year trough eastern Europe and was pretty amazed of the progress, not only of the economy .. but the overall perception of their lives / purpose / interaction , etc.
Personally I am from Romania .. and this matter is bugging me for some years now; I somehow understand their needs, but not agree with them. As long as you are "home" and have your family to support you, I don't see a point of going somewhere to work under a minimum wage and live in trailers. Currently I am working with some NOG's to try and stop this massive migration .. but it is really hard as the people cannot or will not see the improvements around them and prefer to go abroad and in like 50% of cases to fail.
So the conclusion here should be: because they prefer easy than right, and the pre-conception of a country and the scars left behind by a crap system make the social groups break (or not even form) so the easiest way to "fix" things is let everything behind and try to do something from scrap. |
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spook542
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Being as most of them are from Eastern Europe, part of the EU the problem can be soved very simply.
We have a European Constitution which every country signs up to. Every single member state will have to have the same tax rates, welfare rates and employment laws. Then there's no reason for European migrants, or migrant from outside the EU, to come here over any other country in Europe.
in fact if I was a migrant, South of France for me. |
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keypointist
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Let me tell you something about Poland. The Polish airmen fought heroically on our side in the Battle of Britain in WW2. They work hard in the main and they are supporting our economic growth. Our forefathers didn't make sacrifices to support layabout Brits who sit around complaining about immigrants.
I have more time for immigrants than I do for layabout native Brits who in my opinion are a disgrace. |
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101
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because they like fish`n`chips with salt & vinagar, why else would they want to come here its bloody freezing. |
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Paula Revere
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It is the combination of several things; globalization is taking resources from first world countries to give to third world countries so we are all getting hosed. Their countries have gone to crap because of over-population (and corruption). The world population went from 2 billion to 6 billion in 1 century - all in the third world. I sure regret the day we gave India DDT. |
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AL J
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British people live in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania. Why can't their citizens live here ? That's what the European Union is about isn't it ?
Do I get best answer ? |
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Martin
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To be fair the reason most of eastern Europe is a **** hole is because of communism, and not that their forefathers didn't work hard enough. Having said that, I do believe that we should train British people to do British jobs and not just draft in millions of economic migrants to do the jobs for us because we simply cannot cope with such a large influx of people. |
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nkcliff
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They work and pay tax, it is the gov that is not reinvesting their tax money into local services. most of the unemployed people i know are English and they are the sponges soaking up the free services after receiving a free education they are not prepared to use. |
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herr fugelmeister
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i used to be of the opinion that they are a drain on the resources of locals, i'm feeling the pinch. work is hard to get but theres no way in hell i'm ever going to work for minimum wage again, 20 years working multi-skilled. i'm in the north of ireland i cant even get the dole not that i would want it anyway. basques polish chinese and a few other nationalities live on my street if your familar with the north or ireland you would know that we keep ourselves seperate from the others. and the blending is starting to piss me off a bit. but i work with migrants and i know they're just people with families trying to provide for their families and i cant fault them for that. i was a migrant worker in scotland for 6 months, all alone no friends so i know how it feels to be a foreign worker and i was treated like shi't. you wouldnt believe what i had done to me. but hey ho i believe in giving everybody an even break. but they better pull their weight the same as everybody else. btw i dont see why i should pay toward a local whos a single mum and has 7 kids to 7 different men. people like that should learn to keep their legs shut. |
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Tony Blair
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I agree people need to sort out their own countrys. |
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first nation
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In 1939 England & France promised to defend the sovereignty of Poland. When Hitler attacked Poland on the 01 Sep 39, France & England declared war on Hitler on the 03.
Stalin invaded Poland on 11 Sep 39; so when did England & France declare war on Stalin?
We let down Poland not only with Hitler but also with Stalin!!!
1990 was when Poland received independence from these tyrants. Who's fault for the long wait.... England & France. |
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steve ze
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I agree.
ladymoon... I've just read the extended piece of your question and you've made some very interesting points. Just my humble opinion. Why does this discussion get some peoples back up, when it is a major event in the history of these islands? Why can't people discuss this like mature adults and not throw hateful accusations like "Racist" about? That is a terrible accusation to make on anybody! How can the discussion of uncontrolled Mass immigration be considered "Racist" when all colours and creed, of these islands, are starting to voice very major concerns? |
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mr.truth
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i hope you don't mean ppl from sudan as well :-( |
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djave djarvoo 'djas originel
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well they didnt come here on holiday!...or for the weather!...did they?... |
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UTOPIA OR BUST,
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you have a history degree and you don't know that people migrate and always have. the problem i see is that property is been bought up in these new member states by the same property speculators that have caused the housing problems here. that is why people are moving they cannot keep up with the rise in prices in these countries that is been caused by the EU membership. it happens all the time with new entries the property speculators go out buy houses for barely nothing at British prices but the prices would have been ok for the £2 an hour jobs but they are all gone to the big guns. so they have to make more money to buy property in their own countries. |
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R R
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the polish flew are planes came to are country and helped us win the war.
we sold the czechs down the river, and didn't protect them as we said we would two soilders managed to make it to england and we sent them on a very important mission to kill reinhard heidrich.
it doesn't mean we owe them or mean should be an open house for it,
but it does mean we cant say are forefathers died to keep them out when in fact they didn't.
we fought the war as a team. |
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simple one
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Only loosers working for £2 an hour,I'd rather stay in my own country,I'd never go abroad and working for 2 pound,as i said it's only LOOSERS which know nothing!
Someone make a really good money on them.
I would employ few of them myself,and then drive newest BMW! |
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woodsforthetrees
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Actually no, I never feel that :) Yawn |
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Jadore
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"What you do for the least of these my brothers you do unto me."
Matthew 25 v 40 |
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