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notgrannysmith
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History is HISTORY. MOVE ON.
Welcome to 2007. |
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Curtis
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Yes it is true, so what it your point?
Can you name me a country that has not taken land from another country or people? Although the USA did purchase Alaska form the Russians. The Mexicans took their country from the Spanish. The Spanish took it from the Incas, or the Aztecs. |
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irockarolex
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And they brought people like me over on slave ships, but hey, at least I'm here |
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alakazam
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Somewhat. You are missing the fact that most Mexicans originated in Spain... that the Spanish came in, killed the indians, settled Mexico, and called themselves Mexicans. I'm not saying that the British and the French are exempt from this, I am simply noting that Mexicans are not really Mexicans in your argument and that you should probably read a little more history before you begin to bash the United States. Oh, and you can blame Napoleon for giving us the rest of the states. |
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Ask M
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well you don;t see Americans running to Mexico now do you |
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Great Answers
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Why is there so much ignorance about this subject
And the Indians and Mexicans did not kill and eat the Europeans?
They killed each other but we won. No appologies for winning. If you walk up to me punch me in the face and get you rearend kicked it is your fault.
Many treaties were made with the indians and violated by the Indians. 99% of the land was purchased from the Indians.
80% of the Indians were worrior tribes. The frequently killed and ate each other. It was their culture. We respected their culture by treating them they way they treated each other. Is that not the root of cultural relativism? |
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u_bin_called
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You do realize that the "Mexicans" to whom you are referring as trying to return to their "native" land are, in fact, mostly the descendants of the Spaniards against whom you are levying the charge of genocide...
The concept that land should be the posession of a "native" population is naive and, as your question illustrates, latently racist... |
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InfraRed
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This land was mostly purchased. That is not stealing. |
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Muse
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Since when was the Western part of the now United States part of Mexico? Mexico was conquered by the Spanish, who slaughtered the Native Indians and decided to explore all the way up into the present USA, not settle. Those Indians who surrendered to the Spanish (who are European) intermarried with the conquerors, so the present day Mexicans are descendants of the Europeans. You also forget that the Russians settled in Alaska and all the way down into present day California. If the Mexicans want to return to their native lands then they need to head back south of the border into Mexico (or cross the pond back to Spain). Please check a number of good history books on explorers and conquerors. |
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Fairness, why
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And the point is....
This is how countries are formed. Lets go back to civilizations beginnings when tribes roamed the planet. They began to settle and conquer each other. This is what we do and will always do. |
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Jedi Master Titus Pullo (USA)
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The Mexican-American War settle that issue long time ago.
Your ancestors sold the Southwest to the Americans you got no Claim to it. |
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spqr_us
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Uh sorry honey but no US lands were ever native Mexican lands. The Mexicans 1st raped killed and burned out the American Indians that were here. Then the Catholic Church tried to complete the genocide with the Hacienda and Mission system gratis imperial Mexico and Spain. When these same Mexican killers tried to pull the same stunts with the white settlers the Texans, Californians and Americans didn't bend their knees to these tyrants and fought the Mexican Slaver's Armies back to Mexico City, duh.
Maybe also when Mexico decides to stop shooting and throwing illegal Guatemalans that make it into Mexico into dungeons I will listen to what you are saying.
Geezz folks, do any of you people know how to read your history or go to a school that isn't run by La Raza? |
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80's kid
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Why would you wanna come back then? |
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St. Ruger
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Ok, I'm Native American, Spanish and a little African.
What's done is done, get over it. There are no "reparations" and anyone who expects them is an idiot. Today is today.
Mexico and Mexicans have absolutely no claim to the Southwest US.
The Azteca story is a Myth and a LIE....like the Greek Gods. Mexican are not Aztecas, Aztecas were a small and brutal tribe of ruling class that were wiped out by BOTH the spanish and all of the other tibes that were their slaves. Mexicans are decendents of the freed slaves of the Aztecas. There is no Aztec heritage that exist that anyone should be proud of.
They did not control this SW US area in 1848, the Apache and Commanche did.
There were only a few SPANISH settlements in NM, AZ, TX and Cali....these people did not revolt against the Spanish in 1810 and they never, ever considered themselves "Mexican". Until the US showed up, they thought of themselves as Spanish Colonist.
The US bought and paid for this land, several times. That Mexico let corrupt leaders steal the money is Mexico's problem, not the US.
In the war of 1846-1848, the US stopped the war several times and sent ambassadors to negotiate peace and pay large sums of gold for land that Mexico coulde not even rightly claim. Look up the history. US Army stopped where they were for months and waited for peace. Every time the Mexicans and that fool Santa Ana broke the peace and made war again. |
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ohiofirefighter42
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It sure is......show me a country in this world where the original inhabitants still rule it...... |
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Bob J
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Yes you are right we won. That is what happens. If you research any country you will find where one has taken land from another. Also, the Indians and Mexicans were concurring and taking each others land when they thought their continent was the only land on earth. This is life. |
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Diamond24
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It is true, but you & I certianly didn't do these things.
So what's your point? Besides a small history lesson..... |
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DAR
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Any Indians/Mexicans who were here became Americans. For what happened south of the border, you have to look at a different group coming and killing Indians.
AFTER we created this country we built the schools and funded the services that make what is north of the Rio Grande different from what is south of the Rio Grande. I don't see OUR Indians/Mexican Americans illegally immigrating south. |
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tunavamp
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What is your question? That is called history, and not a complete or fully accurate narration of history either. Now, you have to deal with the consequences of history. That's just a fact of life. It doesn't justify the illegal behavior of illegal aliens. |
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steddy voter
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Those who were in the territory acquired by the U.S. was A. Paid for ($2 million dollars), and B. people living in that area were offered automatic citizenship. If they chose to leave, and declined citizenship, that is not the U.S.'s fault. The war with Mexico was not genocide, and is a separate issue from moving the Native Americans (in what is now the U.S.) to reservations. What happened with the Native Americans is sad, but what happened with Mexico was a war.
If you really want to discuss it, I can also point out that prior to the war (and even after), there were problems with bandit groups crossing into U.S. territory, and robbing and murdering civilians as well as military. The area that is now Texas declared its independence from Mexico before joining the U.S., and the northern part of Mexico was very sparsely populated. The Mexican government actually had to encourage people to colonize the northern parts of Mexico to populate it.
And, if you go even farther back in some history books, you'll discover that what the Spaniards did to the native peoples of what is now Mexico was far, far worse than anything that happened in what is now the U.S. |
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Mr. Morden
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It may be true but what's done is done. There is no point in dwelling on it. All we can do is try and learn from our mistakes, do the best for everyone now and move forward. |
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john doe
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you are free to go to whatever country makes you happy,sounds like you dont like this one...... |
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bootsontheroad
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I believe you are talking about Cortez. BTW, the Apache stopped the,so called, Mexican migration from going north. You really should have study harder instead of making stuff up and acting like you know any history. |
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howie r
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yes its true, but who did the mexicans and indians kill when they first got to America.... mexicans are spanish descendants (thats Europe!!) and its believed that american indians first come over from northern asia. what does it all mean... what does it all mean?? |
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RoxanneZG
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Well, I personally like what the US has become. I would rather not live in teepees, hunt buffalo, and run around in a loin cloth. The Europeans did a great job. You said to think about it, I just did. Now you think about it. |
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JOAN C
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I am stronger/better armed than you so "it" is mine!!!
I have put a fence around "my" land - keep out!!!
Do you understand? |
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CCC
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You make me laugh. I am Spanish American. My ancestors enslaved yours. I also have native blood, but not a Mexican. You called yourselves Mexicans, the Spanish called them mestitos, mullatos for the blacks, and creoles. Anyone with mixed blood.
Mexico was lost in a war and a treaty the treaty of HIdalgo get serious. |
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Sione
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I read Curtis' reply. The Mexican's took back which was rightfully theirs. The Mexicans are a mix of the natives and Spaniards. So for them to take back what was theirs to begin with...no one should feel sorry for the Spanish.
Nor should anyone really complain about immigration these days. Chocolate Bunny is correct in her statement of what the Europeans did. Then as we evolved as a country the politicians patted themselves on their backs for breaking them off a piece of land?!!!...Damn!..lol How nice!
The same way the pilgims came over and whoever else followed. They looked for a better place to live. Like some are still doing today, but some people and I mean Bush and Schwarzzenegger don't want Mexicans crossing the borders to work and raise their families. Hell give em status and let them pay taxes if thats what they worry about.
Anyways......lol |
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Pa0
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See, only when they do it it's okay....
Im being sarcastic.
Yeah it is rather sad, then they base the country on immigration and all of these contradicting ideas. I completely agree with you and like you predicted, you are and are going to get blasted because the truth hurts.
....AND THEY DON'T EVEN ADD THE TRUTH ON TEXTBOOKS...they could AT LEAST do that... |
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Falcata
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Some of the answers here are very interesting. I gotta say your question is pretty stereotypical, but some of the answers are pretty enlightening.
Most of the Mexicans are mixed Spanish/Native blood. Deciding "whose" land their so-called native land is would be impossible.
Even a drop of Spaniard would be a crime, wouldn't you want to hand it back to pure Natives? They don't really exist anymore.
Unless the whole holier-than-thou cause is a big lie and just a money/power grab.
You can't right wrongs 150 years later. Too many things change, like we built a nice nation on top of the land.
If you were angry, should've done it 20 years after the US annexed half of Mexico's old territory.
Besides you wouldn't want the land back if the USA hadn't taken California, Texas ect and made it into a nice place to live. So really you lose barren land, we made it a place people will jump borders to get to.
Europe's been conquered many times, America's been conquered many times, so has Asia and Africa. Sometimes it's an improvement like Rome, America, British Empire, Spanish Empire. |
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Ms.L.A.
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Oh lord, another half spun Aztlan type fairy tale. Is there no end to this imagination of theirs? Do they have access to real history books? Or is it only Pedro's Big Storybook? I wonder if you get to color in the pages? Or connect the dots? LOL I'm part American Indian and I know better. |
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