Facts and myths?

Hi yÂ´all !

Right on!

Robby216

I did a quick search, and found an article that states that illegals cost California 10.5 BILLION every year. That's over $1,100 per household.

You've "cleverly" quoted a number about Social Security, but what about all of the other programs - welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, our schools, our hospitals (because they don't have health insurance), etc.?

How can they get these numbers about criminals? Certainly these criminals are not reporting somewhere and declaring their status as such, are they? You can't get accurate numbers about crime. Do you think anyone really knows how much money the Mob makes?

If we're so unfair to illegals, then why do they come here to be abused? Why don't they all go back to Mexico where they legally belong?

john_stolworthy

Simple scenario:
Someone breaks into your home, eats $10 worth of your food, hands you a $20 and refuses to leave. Does that make it OK just because he handed you twice what he consumed? He is still in your home illegally. That's the point.

The problem is not the use of services, it's the fact that they are here ILLEGALLY. Anything they do after that fact is irrelevant.

gokart121

Who cares? Also, it's impossible to be a mexican-american. You're either a mexican citizen, or an american citizen, it has nothing to do with your ethnicity. Look on the map. See where Mexico adjoins the United States? Now, find the US/Mexico border. Which side of it are you on? The answer to that tells you which country you're currently residing in. Whether or not you're doing it legally is between you and the US Customs and Immigration office.

Write your congressman today, tell him you support border enforcement, the border fence, employer enforcment, and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement...

sealRborders

Yeah, THAT explains it!!!!! A "study" done by the Pew Hispanic center,umm hmm!!!
FACT; even if some do pay taxes (which most DON'T) They use STOLEN and FAKE i.d.'s to work) Anything they might pay in taxes is NOTHING compared to what they TAKE in social services,welfare,etc. AND with earned income tax credit, they actually get back MORE than anything they paid in taxes!!!!

FACT: even the UNCLAIMED taxes paid in by some illegals, does NOT offset the COST of illegals!!!!

Why don't you do some UNBIASED research!!!!

Mad Jack

Myth - Illegal immigrants are cheap labor

CHEAP LABOR
Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage
Consumers don't want expensive produce
Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs
But the bottom line is cheap labor
The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie there is no such thing as "cheap labor."
Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children.
He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour.
At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent
He qualifies for food stamps
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school
He requires bilingual teachers and books
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI.
Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.
All of this is at that taxpayer's expense.
He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.
Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.
Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour Left after paying their bills and his.
The American taxpayer's also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.
Cheap labor?
YEAH RIGHT!
Wake up people!

cosaxteacher

Wow, this would be great information, if it wasn't one sided. How does the "Urban Policy Institute" KNOW that they got 96% of the men and 62% of the women who are undocumented immigrants? THEY ARE UNDOCUMENTED MEANING THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY GOT THEM ALL!
Yes, many of the undocumented pay taxes, but many don't. Many receive cash in hand every week.

How much of this money is having to be spent on hospitals that can't afford to stay open from their health care costs and how much is needing to go to schools that can't teach everyone because they are overwhelmed with illegal children? Not enough.

If you are a proud Mexican, go back to mexico, tell your family to stay in mexico, and get the hell out of my country.

Baby F

Another left wing wacko.

AMEN!!!! to "sealRborders" , thanks for stating the truth.

socalrogueling

The Urban Policy Institute is an advocacy group. They are not a bona fide study association. Any so-called study that they would produce would be slanted to their views.

The fact that 1.2 million people paid taxes using Taxpayer Identification Numbers is meaningless. Many small businesses use TINs rather than personal Social Security numbers. There are currently estimated to be at least 12 million illegal aliens in the United States. Personally, I believe that number to be closer to 20 million. Even if half of the TIN holders were illegal aliens, (approximately half a million) that would still leave millions upon millions who are not paying taxes, or if they are, they have stolen some poor American citizen's identity and are trapped into paying taxes by the very nature of their crime of ID theft. Your "information" claims that 7.2 million illegals are employed. If only half a million are legally paying taxes, then the rest are screwing the goverment, or some unsuspecting American citizen. The rest as we all know, are robbing the American social services systems, and thus the American taxpayer, blind.

Those of us in the border states could give a rat's behind about a study in Illinois. Illinois is not a state which is known to be a hotspot of illegal alien activity. Those of us in California who shell out over 10.5 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR in social services have no interest in a state where illegals used a reported 238 million. Big Woo. That's bird feed compared to our 67 emergency room closures in three years, the 30% illegal alien prison population we feed, clothe, and house, or the fact that our housing costs are unreachable by most middle class standards due to the invasion from the south which has driven housing costs through the proverbial roof.

Illegal immigration is a drain on America and the scourge of her citizens, as well as being dangerous or deadly to many.

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/
http://www.predatoryaliens.com/index.htm

Ananke402

1. undocumented is still Illegal
2. if they are getting such a short end as illegals, why didn't they come in as documented workers and get a better shake?

Myth: Undocumented/illegal workers do jobs Americans won't.

Myths

More Propaganda From The Left

hmmmmm.

FACT:
Illegal Immigrant Medical Bills Driving Los Angeles into Debt.

Arizona intercepts token Wire Payments to Coyotes from Illegal Aliens

Illegal Aliens Buying Homes with Fake IDs

More & More Mexican Illegal Alien cross border to give birth the U.S. Taxpayer with â€˜Anchor Babiesâ€™.

Illegal Aliens Cost California $10.5 billion a Year for Education, Health Care and Incarceration

Taxpayer funded Arizona schools used to inform Illegal Aliens how to ship money to Mexicoâ€¦â€¦..

Medicare spent $1.45 BILLION on medical care for illegal aliens in the United States!

Goose&Tonic

Yeah, you forgot to mention how they then destroy any help they've given by sending their eight kids to FREE public school and demanding spanish language teachers, going to the emergency rooms and forcing American taxpayers to cover their medical bills, collecting government welfare, using government services like roads, police, and fire fighters, and committing a HUGE amount of crimes (a decent portion of our prison population is ILLEGAL -- 20% in California alone).

Your "myths" and "facts" may be "real" but they are completely BOGUS. You've chosen only the info you WANT and left out all the negatives.

You're so proud? Go back and help your country become a decent, civilized place so that its citizens actually want to live there. Otherwise, you're all talk.

laurelbush28762

If they are not documented how are they paying their yearly taxes to the goverment? Yes they will pay taxes at the store but so do we. What is wrong with wanting someone to be here legally? Why dose someone who comes here and does not want to be here legally have more rights than I do as an American citizen. They use our schools, our social service departments, our walefare programs, that even our own elderly can't get. I believe if you get to use all these things and others you should be a part of our great nation. I do think that anyone who truly wants to come to America for a better life and chance to make something of himself should be given the opportunity to do so, but legally. We have enough of illegal troubles of our own. If you don't want to become an American citizen then get your green card legally, and I don't mean 10 people using the same one, or stay home. America can no longer foot the bill for the worlds problems and poor. If we go to another country we are expected to go by their laws or pay the consiquences. It should be the same in the United States of America.

pops

Mass deportation.
The army with orders:Shoot to kill..

spence_tnt

PROUD MEXICAN - If your that proud, go back and put all this energy you and your people apply in breaking the laws into your own country and make it better, Demand better wages, Demand better working conditions. DO what AMERICANs did back in the 1860s. Stand up for yourselves. MAD JACK is right on. You don't want to move back because you are babied in this country. I don't feel sorry for your ***.

As for Cantu and his comment about blacks and whites on welfare. There are more 'white' on welfare than blacks because simply, there are more whites in this country. The percentage of 'Blacks' on welfare is much higher than whites. Hopefully you are smart enough to differetiate between the two stats.

Back to Mr. I'm so proud. Learn that most reports in the country, espically ones dealing with the one you are talking about are ALWAYS one-sided to make someone or something look bad. It's usually a report making white people look bad because someone like you feels they are being severaly mistreated because you are here illagally and don't want to follow the laws of the land. You think you are better then the laws and want everything handed to you. Grow up and move back to Mexico where you and the rest of them belong.

don45123

cool

cantcu

This is a myth I have known for years, but the right never seems to care or even want to know what they are talking about! They are like Fox news!

Another Myth! Blacks on Welfare. Whites far exceed blacks on welfare and the true welfare recipients are no bid contract Republican businesses who are also the largest frauds!

Or, why don't those on welfare(No such thing, and under the new program the max is 5 years assistance in ones lifetime) get a job? Well it might be because 99% of them are elderly, children and totally disabled!! Duh!!

bistro

well my friend is an illegal immagrant , but he pays taxes!!!!! and yet he gets no taxes back.. illegals cant get welfare! b/c they are illegal.

Eric

Preach on my brother!!!!

Are we forgetting that ever since the National Guard was deployed to the border, america's farmers are suffering the consequenses. It was in a news report here on Yahoo earlier this week. Cause let us be honest... no one wants those jobs!

p.s. Yes you do want illegals here, why? Because we need to compete with China. Also in order for you to qualify for SSI you need to be a citizen of the U.S.. "The U.S. food industry will cease to exist if it was not for the immigrant work force" President of Del Taco in a personal meeting I had with him!!!

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