How can Liberals rationally make the argument that illegal immigrants have not committed a crime?

Rabid Frog

Everybody knows that illegal entry is a crime, how do certain people make the argument for it rationally? Rationale does not enter into the equation, its an emotional response to an issue.

In the opinion of some, the need for a better life outweighs the law. It does not help the situation that our own government has in the past looked the other way for the sake of cheap labor for companies.

Quimby

The same way conservative small business owners, who pay them under the table, do. Be careful with stereo types of beliefs. BTW I agree with you they are breaking the law, but I know many people liberal and conservative that feel the same way. I also know there is a reason conservatives let this illegal flow continue...cheap labor=higher profits for business.

miggs4cash

Some folks rationalize the raping of America by illegal aliens by saying that " borders don;t exsist " and " these people just need food "...it helps them sleep at night , but yes they are delusional.

anon

1. They are not rational. 2. It depends on what your definition of 'crime' is.

Sorry Craig - that was a Clinton joke.

ldscows

Typical liberal rhetoric. The bigger question is "Why does anyone beleive them?""

MustangPride

Because liberals will always find a way. They are like rats they will always find a way to the food.

angibabi113

They can't.

It is a crime.

What is your source, please?

sarge927

You basically answered your own question -- they can't. The United States has laws governing entry into this country, how long a person from another country can stay in this country, and the process involved in becoming a citizen of this country if you came from another country. If you are on U.S. soil, you are not a citizen, and you do not have permission to be in this country in the form of a visa, then it logically follows that you entered the country illegally and you are present in this country illegally. Scotty didn't just beam these people up. Any argument about how these people came to this country is irrelevent -- if you're not a citizen and don't have a visa then you're not legally allowed to be here, regardless of how you got here.

The liberals are looking for an excuse to keep the illegal immigrants here because they're trying to develop another voter base that they can put under their collective thumbs (like the impoverished people on welfare -- has their situation gotten any better?)

wiscman77

It's actually easy. An attempt to make illegal entry a crime failed to pass Congress. Therefore, it is not a crime under federal law.

So, when states try to enforce immigrant legislation, the courts have ruled that only the Federal government can do that. Some states are trying to enforce the provisions of the law that forbid companies from hiring illegals...we'll see how the courts deal with that.

suenami_98

Blatant lying has become an integral part of our country's political fabric. Hitler said, "The great masses of the people . . . will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one."

Someone crossing the border illegally usually must continue the "crime spree" by obtaining countefeit documents. If they go beyond that and commit felonies, wouldn't the illegal border crossing have been their "gateway" to crime?

But enablers continue to shriek "racism" at those of us who ask only that they enter the country LEGALLY and assimilate. While I sit here in a state that prints its ballots in 9 different languages...

longhornfan345

I agree. Nobody should be let in this country unless they have legal documents that say they have been through the classes and can speak fluent English. The cheap lazy ones just jump a wall.

4kit

Technically they aren't lying. Entering the USA without documents is only a Federal violation.
It becomes a crime when they obtain documents illegally like false ID "and" use them to benefit from. That also pertains to US citizens too.
Now an visa overstay has committed a crime because a visa is a contract spelling out the conditions and how long they can stay so when they violate the visa they have committed a crime.
The problem we have is neither side Democrats or Republicans enforce the laws they passed.

If the mask fits...

I don't think that they claim that it is not a crime. Its just that they are realistic enough to admit that there is a problem with 20 million people living in this country illegally and that it is crazy to suggest mass deportations...

big k

I don't think the debate is the legality of entry. Most people will agree that the person is in fact breaking immigration laws. It's the reason they decided to enter that's important to me. This is the area of the debate that I feel conservatives have absolutely no compassion. The law is the law I always hear, but to the illegal immigrant who is starving in their country, I have compassion on them. I suppose most people would just be happy if they stayed in Mexico and starved to death. Is that a viable alternative? We decide to put up a 200 mile, 50 foot tall fence that is going to cost $1500 per foot. This won't fix the problem. Juan will just start selling 51 foot tall ladders in Mexico. One thing about immigration that is never addressed is, there are push factors enticing people to want to leave, and pull factors that lure the people to come. Why doesn't our government make incentives to stay in Mexico? Maybe instead of spending hundreds of millions of a fence, the money could go to American or Mexican non-profit companies that specialize in creating economic opportunities in under-developed nations, or provide micro-loans to Mexicans. Illegal immigration will only stop when we deal with the source instead of always dealing with the symptoms.

Butterfly

It's a crime plain and simple. If you want to come to this country do it legally, we definetly need stronger borders. I don't think amnesty the answer either, what would that say if you stay long enough with out getting caught it's ok go head break any law you want. by that argument you could rape, murder, steal and aslong as you hide long enough it's cool Please Deport them Deport them Now

Mister Sunshine

I think their reasoning is "aside from entering the country illegally, they haven't committed a crime."

Which is kind of like saying "hey, just because I robbed that guy doesn't mean I'm a criminal!"

ALL HAIL LIBERAL LOGICKS!

Ray G

You seem to think all liberals support illegal immigration.

It is not liberals running the corporations and businesses who are hiring these people, it is Conservatives like you.

Christopher H

It's very naive to not look in both directions on this issue. I can understand where the right-wing politicians are coming from when they mention the drug trafficking, gangs, and crime that comes across the border.
However, are we automatically labeling every immigrant a horrible person? That's like saying that Americans are perfect in every which way. No way.
People will never look at the other side until they have met someone who has risked their life to make their life better for themselves in order to support themselves or a family. Would you want to stay in a poverty stricken country and try to support yourself?
Then why not come in the legal way, right? I have met many who have gone through the correct process and it's a *****. You have no idea how many hoops you have to go through just to be considered a citizen or even getting a visa.
A close friend's mother came from England and it has taken her over six years to do things correctly and she's a genuine citizen.
Another point is our own citizens who benefit off of us and are not willing to go out and do the work that the immigrants have been doing. I could go on all day with this issue.

Level Headed, I hope

I don't necessarily think that liberals suggest there is no crime committed. This issue is not black and white. I don't think you can lump these human beings in with crazed murderers, pedophiles and rapists. I think that there are different levels of "crimes" and yes, being in this country without authorization is against the laws of this nation. However, I believe our government should spend its (our) resources on more important issues. If someone is here illegally and commits a more heinous crime, then yes, deport immediately. BUT for the majority of the people here that work hard at jobs I sure as hell don't want to do, leave them alone. They are just trying to exist, like you and me.

I'm all for a North American Union. heehee...

don c

I am a liberal and I do not make any such claims

I am against any amnesty for anyone (regardless of their race) that enters the country illegally.

Spank Bush, he has been championing the cause for years

nostradamus02012

is president bush a liberal?

bushonlysubmale

With Bush Amnesty there is NO CRIME!

Either you support Bush or you don't.

Mezmarelda

That's ridiculous. Of course some illegal immigrants have committed some crimes, as to some of the Anglo Saxon white citizens who's families have been here for generations........what's your point?

fundamentalist1981

Illegal immigration is not a normal kind of crime.

It is not necessarilly illegal entry because they may enter illegally.

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