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I got in a HUGE argument w/my friend today about illegal immigration....?

..so he is the typical bleeding heart liberal and I am the typical anti-illegal immigrants *ahem* criminals. So anyway, he told me today that I was ignorant and self centered for thinking that we shouldn't be letting those "poor people" into the land of opportunity that work necessary jobs americans would never work. What should I have said to him in response?
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To the moron down there telling me that illegal immigrants arent criminals..get off the illegal drugs and quit acting like you know things. When you ILLEGALLY cross the borders into the country..that is a CRIME.


    




SittinPretty
What does it matter, you both sound hard-headed and stubborn and nothing either one of you could have said would have changed the mind of the other. Besides, you're each entitled to your own opinion anyways. So who cares?!


silentwash
Your response should have simply been "open up your home" "open up your home".

simplicity always works for me


America_YES
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That's an easy one.

I would have told him: "You are entitled to be wrong. This is America."


Just Another Guy
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I am all for letting the poor into the country to work, however, they must come into the country legally. The are way over 3 million illegal immigrants in this country. That my friend is called an invasion in any other country in the world. At some point we must force our government of whom we voted for to enforce our laws. My city is quick to stop my son for smoking a cigarette but the same officers drive by the day labor pickup point all day and do nothing to check out whether they are here legally or not. Why do they do this? Because it is a federal law and not a local law, as soon as we allow cities to enforce the law then things will change.


bigdogrex
Tell him if he feels like that to move to mex,or get a job that we who ever we is an do it,an they are law brakers


jake
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Tell him if he loves them so much, have a few over to his house, all the free food they can eat, But tell him to keep in mind that if he invites say 3 or 4 over, they will each bring 20 or 30 with them.


Stormchaser
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All Righty then! Has he looked at the United Nations voting record about the US? And we support those nations with our hard earned tax dollars. they have voted against practically every thing we have tried to do. Both Democrats and Republicans have left Americans in the cold in trying to give amnesty to all illegal aliens and any Al-queada that maybe here too! How much sense does that make?

Has he even bothered to go to any of the following websites? Does he know that the filthy rich Sierra Club wants to teach ignorant , greedy Americans what it is like to have over-population and poverty by helping illegals abscond? It's our fault according to them, that they don't use birth control? Tell him to give all of us a break and go to immigration and have himself deported.

NUMBERSUSA.com
V-Dare.org
alipac.com
fairus.com
The Minutemen


?
move out of the USA


wondermom
There are plenty of poor people who want to come in legally. People who have taken the proper TB testing and filed the proper forms to come in to the country. They will be willing to take the jobs. At least with these who are trying to come in legal they are start off by following the law. Doesn't mean they will end up always being law abiding however the chances are great that they will.
Futhermore at least you know that these legal citizens are not going to give you dieses such as TB.


FoxAmericaLover!
Tell him you will never have his major issues, because you are always right! Send him on his way to cry a river!


betterdeadthansorry
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Tell him then he is a traitor to the United States for being in favor of compromising the USA's security just to suite his bleeding-heart naivety.


caysdaddy04
I guess I'm probably the wrong person to be answering this question, since I could be classified as one of those "bleeding heart liberals".

Personally, while I do agree that illegal border crossing IS still a crime (a law is a law is a law... doesn't matter if the law is just or not, it should still be OBEYED), I do feel it's a crime more on par with say, shoplifting, speeding or jaywalking... as opposed to being on par with murder, rape or grand theft auto.

I agree with dances that it's really too late to do anything about it. Something should have been done many many years ago when it first started. The best thing to do now is help them to assimilate (although, if they refuse to assimilate, then I do believe we shouldn't cater to them. The Chinese immigrants have to learn English, there's no "Push 3 for Chinese" on our phone systems) and help them seek legal status.

To dances - "let" them pay taxes? How about "force" them to pay taxes? As a citizen, I am FORCED to pay taxes, even though I completely disagree with how our government is spendin my tax dollars. You don't give them the decision whether to pay or not. If that were the case, I wouldn't agree to pay any taxes. You TELL the illegal immigrants that now that they're here, they're now just as much responsible to fund the social support system they're using as the citizens and legal immigrants.


tigerloveshistigress
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Who won?


Cinner
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They cost us too much. Health care, welfare, sending their earnings to Mexico, prison up keep, over-burdening our educational system. Besides which I don't believe that Americans will not do those jobs. Who did them before the run for the border? Teenagers, uneducated people, ex-cons etc.


Memnoch
Tell him that illegals are cooks, construction workers, drywall hangers, and almost every other low profile, high paying job out there.

Also ask him what he thinks of someone who doesn't pay there taxes. Ask him about rich people and how they get away with all of these tax cuts and pay tons of money simply to avoid paying the government any of there money. This will probably make him really angry. Good Americans pay taxes. Then remind him that illegals pay less than rich people, they pay nothing.


C W
How many illegals will he be willing to support? I'm sure he needs his house painted, the lawn mowed, the toilet scrubbed etc. He wouldn't even have to pay minimum wage. He can afford 2 or 3, or how about 10. The country is no different. we don't have and endless supply of money even if there are still jobs available. They cost us in prisons, hospitals, schools and we can't afford it.


ace
tell him to get his *** over to.....


yars232c
You friend should put his money where his mouth is and take in about twenty of them in his home with half a dozen pregnant ones and support them.

The average cost to taxpayers per illegal is around $55,000 a year according to the GAO before the election. When he does that, then he can tell the rest of us how worth it is.

And you can tell your friend he can be happy now that Bush is lowering the standards on accepting HIV Positive immigrants into society.


talarlo
They are breaking the law. If it was ok to break the law just to make a "better life" then I would be robbing banks daily. Most of the people that come here are decent people but a good chunk of them are very bad people. The gov't sends the people they don't want over here. If they are not going to pay taxes they shouldn't be here. Why should we have to pay health care bills with our tax money for them?


Bonzai Betty
You should have told him that he was an anti American traitor, who shouldnt go whining about stores like wal-mart, while supporting illegal immigration. Seems your "friend" is a major hypocrite. Liberals dont like wal-mart screwing Americans out of jobs, but its ok for the illegals to do it? LOL


Ms.Chelle
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When you cross the border illegaly, you are a criminal. When you jaywalk you are also a criminal. Goes both ways buddy!


Mark D
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Ask him whether or not the U.S. should simply have an "open borders" policy -- no more immigration laws at all.


Speedfreak
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Your friend obviously believes in Socialism and the Robin Hood philosophy. That all works just fine in Bizarro-world. In the real world we have laws and we have procedures to follow should one choose to work in this country and possibly become a citizen. If they wish to become citizens and to share in this "land of opportunity," then there is a price to pay. The U.S. did not become the land of opportunity overnight. It EARNED that label.

Bleeding heart idealists are beyond naive. To say your friend is misguided is an understatement. He has no argument.


Cornelius O
sounds like an interesting friendship - wacko liberal and nutso right-winger. If you want to convince him of something, use logic, fairness, realism, etc. Don't argue radicals with more radicalism.


chetahbill
is your friend gay?


Nexus K
Tell him that he believes what he wishes to believe as do you. And that he shouldn't call someone names just because they don't share the same views. And that considering he calls himself your friend by calling you names that's making a personal attack on you not just your views and maybe isn't a true friend. Regardless of what each person believes they should respect each other more especially among friends and shouldn't try and change each other's views when they know it won't work.


Mariposa
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Knowing that your friend has very different views than you, I would have changed the subject to something less confrontational. I wouldn't discuss politics, religion, or any other item that you know you and your friend have different, passionate opinions about.


dances with unicorns
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I think the issue is moot - immigrants are already here, illegal or otherwise. Unless you plan to spend billions of dollars to turn our southern border into a two thousand-mile-long fortress, and another few billion rounding up the ones that are already on this side of the border and shipping them home, it's time to come to grips with the fact that illegal immigrants exist, and will continue to exist. Since they ARE here - why not let them pay taxes on the money they're already earning, so that the cost of their presence to the schools and infrastructure can be offset? The problem isn't going away, whether someone wants it to, or not, so we might as well get real, and learn to deal with it.


GJ
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you should read about Globalization and U.S intervention in other countries before you try to go against your friend


Tray
well forgett about it and go give her a big hugg and things will be all better we really can't do anything about the immigits anyways





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