If 3-6 thousand people were deported a day here-wouldn't that be the solution to immigration problems?

mustagme

The solution is to give these hard working immigrants a path to citizenship so they may enjoy all the rights and responsibilities of other American citizens.

El" Demorat" Raton

Uh, NO!

That bum who broke in my house and is sleeping on the couch? I'll just make him mow the lawn.

tunavamp

It wouldn't be the only answer, but it would be helpful. ABSOLUTELY NO WAY would it be at all better to let "everyone join the club". Under no stretch of the imagination. We've done that once already and created a huge problem. No more. Never again.

DAR

There will be 650,000 in our state jails and prisons alone, who historically were not deported, just this year, per DHS. Yet last year the US deported only 190,000, Swift raids and all. Even Mexico, with a MUCH smaller population of illegal immigrants deported 250,000.

At $10,000 per head per child per year in school, they can't pay their way. We subsidize poor people, which is why we have to limit the number that come. Their education is at the expense of programs cut for our own children as they come illegally across the border and to the very front of the line for education funds based on 'difficult to educate subgroups' and 'diversity'. (Even in areas of our country where their ethnicity is the majority they get diversity benefits, including priority in access to such decent programs as are left.)

Their better life is at our expense and our schools and hospitals, health care and services are failing, unable to care for our own poor and our middle class that counts on using schools and pays for their own hospitals. We are the ones funding the services, and have the least access to them.

Where is your empathy for OUR people?
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If you can shake loose that other money, great. But I don't see that money on the table, and our children are in school TODAY.

ProUSA2

How is your suggestion a solution?

Here's an easy question with an easy answer for you.

If we allow the MILLIONS of illegal aliens to stay and become citizens, what will be the effect on illegal immigration?

That's RIGHT!! We encourage MORE illegal immigration. You DON'T support and reward criminal activity. All it does is breed MORE criminal activity.

Fact of life. If you reward someone for doing something, you ENCOURAGE more of the same.

We tried that "solution" in 1986 (amnesty)...look where it got us? We now have 10 TIMES the amount of illegal aliens we did then.

The SOLUTION is

1. Removing the reasons they come (and those here will have no reason to stay).
2. Increasing border security.
3.Deporting those that refuse to leave.

EDIT:

By saying we cannot remove the reasons they come, you are proposing surrender. You are saying there IS NO SOLUTION. You are saying we CANNOT enforce our border. We CANNOT enforce our laws. We CANNOT stop illegal immigration. But you are proposing "amnesty" as a solution. A solution to WHAT??

Amnesty is not a solution. As I already asked, what did the amnesty in 1986 accomplish? The exact thing that your "solution" would "accomplish". Amnesty for millions of people in our country illegally. Period. That's it. And then 10 years, 20 years from now, we are EXACTLY where we are now...with tens of millions of illegal aliens draining our economy and social services.

You are WRONG.
We CAN enforce our laws. We CAN enforce our borders. We CAN deport those that refuse to leave. AND WE MUST!!

Amnesty is not a solution. It's a bandaid, but a bandaid with disastrous consequences for the United States.

EDIT 2:

ONCE AGAIN.

NO form of amnesty is a "solution".

Explain how ANY amnesty no matter WHO it is for is a solution and not a band-aid. Your OWN claim is that we can't "remove the reasons they come". We can't enforce our laws We can't enforce our border. We can't do anything. So how is an amnesty a solution???????????? Do you want me to give you the definition of SOLUTION????

And how is deporting illegal aliens a racist pursuit? Exactly what race do you claim an illegal alien is?

You are all over the place here and NONE of it is logical.

YNOGFSU10

Nowhere in my post did I say to stop LEGAL immigration. NOWHERE. Don't add something to my text that ISN'T THERE. My wife is a legal immigrant. Her entire family is legal immigrants in the U.S.

And we are not talking about "all immigrants". We are talking about ILLEGAL ALIENS. Period.

Once again, you are adding things to my text that I didn't say or either intentionally misreading my post.

When I say "remove the reasons they come", I mean the following. Are you another one saying we can't enforce our laws? Admit defeat? Let our country be overrun by what would eventually be hundreds of millions of illegal aliens? We can and we MUST enforce our borders.

1. Prosecute all employers hiring illegal aliens to the fullest extent of the law. It's a crime to hire illegal aliens. It illegal aliens have few jobs available, there's no reason to come.
2. Deny housing to illegal aliens.
3. Deny banking accounts, credit cards, drivers licenses, etc. to illegal aliens.
4. Deny any governmental assistance from any governmental agency (federal, state, or local) to illegal aliens.
5. Deny any monetary assistance or social services to illegal aliens.

All countries have the right to have immigration laws and all countries have the right to enforce them.
Citizens of countries have the right to insist its goverment enforce its border and immigration laws (and all laws for that matter).

Here's a link to how another country treats its illegal aliens.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/060815a.aspx

rek 1

I think the solution to immigration issues would be to fine companies that employ illegal immigrants the remaining portion of what an American would make for doing the same job.

example, you pay an illegal $4.00 per hour for labor you would need to pay an American $10.00 per hour for. if you get caught you owe $6.00 per hour worked, per illegal hired.

if American companies stop hiring illegal immigrants thy will stop coming here looking for work.

barbara_farley77450

I would love to see all the illegals loaded up at the train stations and shipped back and I think 3-6 thousand a day is a doable #

Jamerican

The solution is to find a way to deport 15-20 million illegal immigrants.

whiz

Removing the reasons they come and the number of illegals aliens attempting to enter our country illegally will slow to a trickle.
Removing the reasons they come and those here HAVE NO REASON TO STAY.

Prosecute employers hiring illegal aliens. Prison time and/or HEFTY fines should do it.
Deny housing to illegal aliens.
Deny bank accounts, credit cards, drivers license etc. to illegal aliens.
Deny ANY governmental or monetary assistance to illegal aliens.

Deport those that are left. They have no reason to return. With the current status quo, they are deported...and they come back...because they have a reason to.

Yoda

There are NO JOBS that Americans or illegal immigrants won't do.

There is NO JOB in the country that ONLY illegal aliens perform.

I challenge you to name ONE!!!

Construction?? Nope.
Maids? Nope.
Janitors? Nope.
General laborer? Nope.
"Agriculture"? Nope. Only 25% of agricultural jobs are filled by illegal aliens. Take a guess who performs the other 75%. Americans and legal immigrants.

Daniel F

I was not talking to you, I'll answer you like you answered me the other day. I was talking to another poster that has since MODIFIED his post and remove the part that stated that illegal aliens only do work that Americans won't. IT's BS and everyone knows it. There is NO job that Americans won't do. There is NO job that ONLY illegal aliens do. Period.

BTW

I have no need or desire to prove ANYTHING to you. I care not what you think. He removed his BS post. That's all I was after. The information is there if you look for it. Do your own research.

P.S. ProUSA2 slammed you BUT GOOD the other day!!! Is that what you are sore about?? Go back and look, he got lots of thumbs up, you got ALL thumbs down. You have to go up to the top to see his last response, because he got "best answer"...

Here's the link...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Am5zIxbam_kmI9JnEyHtrQnty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20071023224921AALfFN8&show=7#profile-info-a89gSvgnaa

P.S.2

Your "statistics" that you posted prove nothing against DAR. You posted percentages, he posted actual numbers. You DO realize the difference don't you? If he posted numbers, YOU must post numbers AND a link that WORKS to prove him wrong. That's the way it works. And your link doesn't work. Even looking at it you should realize that. You don't even need to click on it. There is no link that has a "space" in it. Even taking out the space it STILL doesn't work.

Cold Hard Fact

STOP THE PRESSES, I think I actually agree with you on this one.

It was bound to happen sooner or later.

That would not solve the problem at all, in fact it would only create more.

We'd have hundreds of thousands (millions maybe) of kids who were born in this country, are citizens and would be losing their parents. Either we are kicking them out of the country, which is pretty freakin inconsiderate, or we will allow them to stay in state housing, which only causes more pain on the populus through taxes.

If we were to let them stay and pay taxes, the changes on the economy and the country would be enormously good. Instead of spending tons of money to deport them, let them stay and collect money from them.

God knows that the majority of them are Mexicans and these guys (I know many) work their butts off.

I am not sure what is meant by "join the club" because I would still exercise caution when it comes to throwing around green cards. But the overwhelming majority of the illegals are here to work, to perform jobs for lower wages than American workers, and to earn better livings for their children.

I am greatly annoyed how people mention the word "illegal" and the thoughtless people in this country equate it to the word "immoral".
The two are not always the same.

Most of these people are good, decent, moral, ambitious people who understand the concept of a full day's work, and a full day's pay.

ProUSA suggests that we "remove the reasons they come". What do you want to do? Ensure that Mexico is more desireable than the US?

Richard T thinks that we should "eliminate all imigration for any reason". I would have a great deal to agrue about this because my wife is a European immigrant (legal). Are we to tell people that they are not allowed to marry citizens of other countries, or if they do they can't stay here?

I am also the son of a Cuban Immigrant, who was a political refugee in 1960 because Castro and Communism took over Cuba.

The Americans who would have all of the immigrants immediately deported are thinking and talking purely on impulse, without regard to the fact that had these people not entered the country illegally, they would be seen as great people.
These types of Americans have no true understanding of the wonderful historical precedent of American Immigration Policy. We are unlike any other country on Earth because of our melting-pot diversity.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
- inscription on the Statue of Liberty

We cannot let an overdeveloped sense of nationalism eliminate what America really represents. -not without becoming hypocrites.

EDIT TO PROUSA2:

I never said that you said we should stop legal immigration. Look back at what I wrote.
RICHARD T said that, and he was who I directly quoted as saying that. Look at Richard T's answer and it is right there in black and white.

I did not and would not attack you for something you didn't say. So as you so elegantly put it, "Don't add something to my text that ISN'T THERE."

For all of your talk about the diffrentiation between "legal" and "illegal", I can only hope now you see that it was Richard, and not you, I was addressing.

You say that we should enforce our borders, and I agree with you 100%. We should.
But we haven't been, and that is what has led us to the predicament we are in today.

In this aspect, America has been practicing "Salutary Neglect".
The expression originally comes from the time period just before the American Revolution, when the British failed to enforce the laws that they passed against the American Colonists.
When suddenly, the British decided to enforce their laws, the colonists were flabbergasted and saying, " You never did anything about it before, and now you want to punish all of us for years of lacking enforcement!!!"

Like I said, we should enforce our Borders, but that doesn't change that fact that we weren't doing it before, and that is why we are facing this issue today.

So, I hope we are cool.

The question I see is this:
What do we do about the people here now?

I think the only real option we have is to allow them a specific amount of time to legally identify themselves (otherwise they will continue to hide), verify their employment status, run criminal background checks, and if all of those turn out OK, let them stay and continue to work. If they don't meet all of these requirements within that specific timeframe, then we should pursue and deport them.

For those allowed to stay, we can collect taxes on them, know who and where they are, have good assurance that they are not collecting welfare, and not hurt the employers who rely on them for work.
For the crimes that the illegals have committed, like using falsified SSNs and illegally entering the country, we could give them each some community service, and further aid the economy.
I also want to point out that most employers do have SSNs (fictional) for their illegal employees, so it is very difficult for them to know their status as legal or illegal. I am not sure that it is fair to prosecute employers who have documentation, unless the employers are knowledgeable that the documents were falsified. How could they know?

The cost of finding and deporting all of them is more immense than the US needs to spend.
My way money will be gained from their taxes instead of spent finding and deporting them.

But you and I both agree that strict border enforcement has to begin.

In fact, I agree with the implementation of almost everything you say. Your plan would solve the problem for future illegal immigration, and I think that is great. But for the illegals already here, the cost of finding and deporting every single illegal is virtually infinite, or impossible. I would much rather give them the opportunity to come forward, pay the gov't money in taxes, and not effect the businesses that would crumble without them.

Geno

DANIEL F. He's right, your link doesn't work.

Your statistics mean nothing. Anybody can make up a bunch of numbers. If you expect him to provide proof, where's yours??

You act as if you are talking down to him because he hasn't been here very long. You are trying to insist that he provide a link when he wasn't even talking to you in the first place. He doesn't have to prove anything to you. If he doesn't want to provide a link, let it go. What do you care? Leave him alone. What it appears to ME...an unbiased poster is that you are trying to distract attention away from YOUR questionable post. He already told you he wasn't talking to you. The other poster retracted his post. YOU called him out. Meanwhile, YOU responded to another poster with a bogus link and questionable statistics. Questionable because you provide no link. The link DOESN'T WORK.

You may or may not be quoting accurate statistics...if you are, PROVE IT, as you are asking him to do. If you provide a link, that's all I care about. That and leaving the other poster alone. He didn't do anything to you. He was talking to someone else and you stuck your nose in the middle

P.S.
This is as directly as I can question you since you don't allow e-mail.

UTOPIA OR BUST,

how can you know if there are so many million illegal immigrants. i think there would be a few in the americas who would say there are something like 300,000,000 illegal immigrants. as what i know none of them gave permission for Europeans to come in and take the land and divide it up. then enslave the native population are commit genocide on them.

brewer_engineer

"We have met the enemy, and he is us."
- Pogo
The real problem is we've created a fairly wealthy society that relies upon cheap and available labor. Yet, we're not willing to take those demeaning jobs ourselves.
As long as a demand exists, someone will fill it.
Think about it the next time you drive through Micky D's. Wouldn't you have been better off cooking a healthier meal at home?
Same thing with lawn services. I don't remember lawn services when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's. Everyone took care of their own lawn (in the Burbs). How many people use a lawn service to groom their lawn today.

CHEF 2 GO

No bro. Deportation costs between $1,500 to $2,000 per person. So it would be more expensive for tax payers. Do the Math 12 million illegals x $2,000 = A LOT of money.

What you do is TAX the money illegals send home(western union, etc). Think.

Every illegal sends about
$200 a months x 9 million illegals = 1.8 Billion dollars a months x 12 months = 21.6 Billion then TAX that 8% then you get $1.7 Billion a year for the people of this country. Unless Bush sends that money to Iraq.

richard t

I think eliminate all imigration for any reason incl tourism for 20 years(one generation)..........let everyone become Americanized..........and PUNISH anyone who sneaks in ...really punish worse that the place they came from.......so no one comes...................see what happens.......

MandB

dont know what country you are in but if its the USA I can say the Native American Indians would love to see most of the white folks deported first... and who can blame them?

What a bunch of hypocrites.. "I am here, but lets not let anybody else in"..

the problem is global.. what we really need to do is cut down our human population as a whole so there is more space for everyone.. until we are willing to do that we have no right to say "this land is our land you stay out"

spirit dummy

You put the cart before the horse. Illegal immigrants are not agricultural products. You can't just pick them up, put them in a box, and transport them to Mexico. Deportation is the final step in an unnecessarily long and complex process. The current procedure is to detain them until their hearing where they have a chance to show cause. I don't advocate this but that is what happens. Another problem, since they are not turnips or heads of lettuce, is to find them. Most of them hide well and have fake documentation if they are caught.

In addition, you are assuming they would willingly pay taxes when their entire network is built around circumventing our laws.

The solutions must be multi-pronged and include:
-- Building the wall along the entire 2300 mile border
--Criminalizing employers who hire foreigners with suspicious credentials or no credentials
-- Pressuring Mexico to end discrimination against dark-skinned people and giving them legal title to their property so they can use it as collateral
-- Build/finance thousands of private schools in Mexico
-- Redeploying 30,000 National guard troops from Iraq and stationing them on the Mexican border. If we don't, we can't effectively implement any of the other solutions. Once the Revolution begins, we will wish we had at least that many on the border. Mexico is far more dangerous to our society than Iran could ever hope to be. The problem is currently they are our 2nd biggest trading partner.

Borden's Wife

We don't have enough manpower to get them the hell out.
I wish we could all just volunteer and force them out however we are able... like kidnapping and deporting them ourselves.

livelife

i believe that the illegals who bring good intentions should join the club but the ones who are always in jail should be deported back. i am a legal mexican and by being leagal i have to pay taxes and i am not complaining because some of my money goes to roads and public schools for children with needs

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