Illegal Immigration Protests?

blackplatnium007

if our president,senators, congressmen, and judges really wanted to do something about immigartion they would

1 end the war in iraq,

2 bring all those troops back,

3 put half of them on one boarder, the other half on the other,

4 spend the same amount of money on that as they do with the war

in the same amount of time that we have been at war we could probably turn the flood to a trickle,

we could probably go from 12million to 12thousand and lose less lives doing it

Im not against imigration, as long as its done LEGALLY :)

JessicaRabbit

We should NEVER reward criminal actions. However that's what the illegal aliens are DEMANDING! They have no right to demand anything.

They have the right to be given a one-way bus ticket back to their home country. I say we give them that.

hera

I think that they should go back to their country of origin! ASAP!!

B.Kevorkian

They figure we'll do it /because we've done it before/. Actions speak louder than words. 3 million illegals were made American citizens in the last Amnesty. The argument was that, once those who were already here were naturalized, there would be less trying to cross the border (after being deported, or as migrants, for instance), enforcement would be more manageable, and we wouldn't have an illegal alien problem anymore.

There are now 12+ million illegal aliens demanding a new amnesty.

And why not, it worked so well the last time!

Gipper

Illegals from ANY country should be given nothing at all. Why should US taxpayers pay to support these law-breaking criminals?

Recruit From Wisconsin

at our school we have the pledge of alleigance IN SPANISH!
They are too lazy to learn our language and they just sued someone ( i think it was GoodWill) because they clerk couldn't speak English. Their **** is getting out of hand, so deport them and if they come back shoot them

Feline05

Illegal Immigrants - no they should not be rewarded with citizenship just because they are protesting and marching. Who is going to pay all those business owners for their losses today. These people have come here and continue to come here illegally and continue to break all the rules and steal identities. They have to try and improve their country so they can stay there and have a good life. Even though they come over here they do not improve their way of life. Look at some of the neighborhoods that they have taken over - run down and ten families living in one house.

â–ªÏŽhiteÄÄ±rlâ–ªÂ®

No, they shouldn't be rewarded. They should all be deported back to their home countries where they belong.

sekacity

Because to deny them would be unthinkable in todays society . Liberals and bleeding hearts protect the masses . Mean while on the southern border of Mexico ,Central American immigrants are being jailed and thrown back to their countries . A little ironic ... dontcha' think ?

xcongoneout

Convict lease
For all the brutality, deprivation and misery of slavery, the slave was the protected property of another. Owners bought Slaves as an investment, and thus had an interest in keeping them alive and seeing that they reproduced. The lessee, on the other hand, had no such protection. If they died of malnutrition or disease, they were simply replaced, at no cost to the leaser, by a new convict. The life of the convict was expendable. As the system of convict lease expanded from a local system to a state and multi-state system, the impersonality and brutality of the system increased exponentially. The labor required of convicts also changed as the South struggled to industrialize during reconstruction, and later as it became the main producer of many high demand raw goods, such as turpentine, at the beginning of the First World War. Chain gang labor replaced plantation labor for the majority of convicts; they were put to work mining coal, tapping turpentine and laying railroad. The free labor of Blacks because of the convict lease program was the driving force behind the economic growth of the South after emancipation just as it had always been.

Convict lease was highly profitable. Not only did it provide an unlimited source of free labor to any and all Southern industry, thus making big money for the owners of such industry, Convict Leasing was profitable in and of itself. In much that same way that private contracts work today, that State only leased its convicts to one or two well connected brokers. â€œThe exclusive right to lease state convicts quickly became Mississippiâ€™s most prized political contract. â€ These Brokers served as middlemen. They leased convicts from the state under contract, and then sub-leased them as worker for a higher price. Oshinsky provides the example of Colonel Jones S. Hamilton, who won the contract for Mississippiâ€™s convicts in 1876. He leased them from the state for $1.10 a month, but instead of working them himself, he placed an ad in the newspaper and sub-leased them for $9 month to any interested party.

"From a business stand point, the subleasing was ideal, it plugged the major weaknesses of the old system: the high fixed cost of labor. Under the sublease, and employer was not stuck with a set number of prisoners over a long period of time. He did not have to feed, clothe and guard them when there was little work to be done. He could now lease convicts according to his specific, or season needs."

With the convict lease system an employer could lease convicts only when they needed them. Consequently, the demand for convicts varied according to the production seasons. And so too, did the crime rate. Demand for convicts varied by season and the number of arrest of Blacks varied according to the demand for convicts. Thus planting season, or the start of a major public works project would be accompanied by a so called â€œcrime wave,â€ resulting in the mass arrest of as many Blacks as were needed to fill the ranks.

In Tallahassee, for example, Leon County officials made a deal to lease all of their convicts to the Putnam Lumber company the result was predictable, a minor â€œcrime waveâ€ hit Leon County. Vagrancy arrests shot up by almost 800 percent in the seven months following the Putnam Lumber deal.

These â€œcrime waves,â€ did not actually see any increase in the number of crimes, only an increase in the number of arrests from petty crimes of all sorts. They were accompanied, as they are today, by much hype and propaganda, aimed at stoking the fire of fear and anger that white society felt toward the â€œBlack criminal.â€ Though the vast majority of convicts were men, because they best fulfilled the market demand for manual labor, women and children where also caught in the fray.

Oshinsky gives a powerful example of the co-dependent relationship between industry and â€œcrime.â€

"A journalist in 1907 described an all-too-common arrangement between a local sheriff and a turpentine operator in desperate need of men. â€˜Togetherâ€™ he wrote, â€˜they made up a list of some eight *****â€™s known to both as good husky fellows, capable of a fair daysâ€™ work.â€™ The sheriff was promised five dollars plus expenses for each ***** he â€˜landed.â€™ Within three weeks, he had arrested all eighty of them on various petty chargesâ€”gambling, disorderly conduct, assault, and the like. The larger part of the list was gathered with a dragnet at Saturday-night shindies, and hailed to the local justice, who was in on the game.â€™"

The system of convict lease, rooted in racist laws and made possible by the collusion of law makers, law enforcement, and local industry, was so profitable that it persisted for many years despite rising disgust and opposition on the part of the populous. The South was rebuilt through an enormous publics works effort, made reality in the hands of convicts. The railroads were laid, the coal minded, and the turpentine tapped. As the nation geared up for World War I, all of the raw materials necessary were supplied by corporations that relied on convict labor to do the deadly work without pay.

While it is difficult to pinpoint the end of convict leasing, it certainly experienced substantial decline because of the confluence of economic and moral concerns. Convict lease came under fire from humanitarians who exposed the death, disease and cruelty that dominated the system. As resistance to the system grew, it also became economically less viable. Oregon was the first state to abolish convict lease. As the economy changed and the moral outrage mounted it was gradually abolished on a state level Alabama was the last state to make convict leasing illegal in 1928. This end date is deceptive however, because when states abolished convict lease, it only applied to convicts in state penitentiaries, not those in county jails.

In 1923 Florida ended the Convict lease system after the brutal (though not uncommon) death of convict Martin Talbert â€œbecame front page news across the country. â€ Like elsewhere, the abolition of convict lease in Florida did little to change the system, because with state convicts off limits, the populations of county jails simply expanded to fill the void. In Florida the turpentine industry fueled the demand for convicts. So the â€œendâ€ of convict lease was not 1923, but rather convict lease declined slowly, along with the demand for turpentine, after the end of World War II.

[edit] Profitability
The state profited directly from the leasing of their convicts to a â€œBrokerâ€ who today would be called a private contractor.
The American private companies and corporations profited immensely because they had a reliable source of unpaid labor.
In much the same ways as slavery, the bodies of the convicts were â€œmined,â€ not just for their labor but for every potentially profitable element. In 1871, the convicts of the state of Tennessee were contracted out to a single man, Thomas Oâ€™Conner, a professional card gambler, with some important political connections. These convicts were put to work across the state mining coal and laying train tracks. â€œEach morning their urine was collected and sold to local tanneries by the barrel. When they died, their unclaimed bodies were purchased by the Medical School at Nashville for the students to practice on. â€

[edit] The dual system of sharecropping and convict lease
The convict lease system, which re-instituted de-facto slavery under a new name processed large numbers of recently freed blacks and their offspring born to â€œfreedomâ€. The vast majority of prisoners who were leased out died. In the history of convict lease in Mississippi, no convict leased to the chain gang ever lived more than seven years. The remaining free Black population was processed through the complementary and parallel system of sharecropping.

Much has been written about how sharecropping, also called debt-peonage, re-enslaved many newly freed Blacks. The passage of the Black Codes made it illegal for an ex-slave to be unemployed. The result was that unemployed Blacks were either to sent to prison, and then put to work through the Convict lease system, or in an attempt to avoid prison, went to work anywhere they could. Thus, may Blacks sought employment doing plantation labor, often on the same farm they had previously worked as slaves. The function and conditions of Sharecrop Farming are widely understood, so I will attempt only a rough summary here.

Sharecrop farmers were loaned a plot of land to work, and in exchange owed the owner a share of the crop at the end of the season. Often the planterâ€™s share was 1/3, though sometime it was much higher. The sharecropper was required to purchase seed, tools and fertilizer, as well as food and clothing, on credit at the plantation store. When the harvest came, the sharecrop farmer would harvest the whole crop and sell his or her portion to the planter at a fixed price. By the time all the debts owed and proceeds made were tallied up the farmer was lucky to break even. The planter set the price of the crop, and all the books were kept and tallied by the planter, such that there was plenty of opportunity to fudge the books, guaranteeing that the sharecropper never made any profit.

In The Yazoo River Congressman Frank E. Smith recounted the story of a shrewd tenant who is told on Settlement day that his cotton proceeds had exactly equaled his debts:

TENANT: Then I donâ€™t owe you nuthin, Capâ€™m?
PLANTER: No, you donâ€™t owe me a cent.
TENANT: Anâ€™ you donâ€™t owe me nuthin'?
PLANTER: You saw the books.
TENANT: Then whatâ€™s I gonna do with them two bales I ainâ€™t done hauled in yet?
PLANTER: Well, what do you know! Just look at that! Hereâ€™s two pages stuck together. Iâ€™ll have to add this whole account up again.
The scene is funny but sadly true. Often planters were not even that generous, and if it was desired that a sharecropper stay on another season, the books could easily be made to come out with him in debt. Thus the sharecropper was often forced to continue working on the same plantation because of a supposed debt. If the most commonly understood attribute of slavery is that one can be bought and sold, sharecroppers were indeed re-enslaved, as they were sometimes â€œsoldâ€ to another planter willing to pay the amount of their debt. Together Convict Lease and Sharecrop Farming ensured that the majority of Blacks remained in slavery, either because of a fabricated debt, or as punishment for a petty crime. Convict Lease, and Sharecrop Farming were two halves of the same system, a system that returned the majority of Black Americanâ€™s to slavery and plantation labor within months of their supposed emancipation

natasha

i totally agree, they dont understand the term illegal. they need to first start to learn english before they get citizenship.

nena_en_austin

not...
http://www.msnbc.com/id/13006798/sit...

constance m

We need to get rid of them. They are turning our country into a third world country. DO NOT HIRE THEM. DO NOT RENT TO THEM. BOYCOTT THEM. Tell them "Vaya usted a Mexico, hoy."

Drakona

They need to earn it...nothing in life is for free.

thepimp213

i think you should shut your mouth because we are not going to have any tacos and burritos to eat

ANDERSON P

yeah i cant understand tat too when the muslims entered into any EU countries legally or illegally, when this group of ppl gathered up to form a number, they started to ask syriah law, headscarf and whatever nonsense.They shld thank Allah to be able to live and work in a better condition countries, better salary so that they can feed their ever extended big big family back in middle east. And continue torturing their women there!
Oh! by the way, in my country as long as u r muslims u can entered our country be rapists or murderer n yet will be given a citizenship, so we have plenty of indon, southern filipino muslims and bangla. Number counts!

madskier1

You are 100% correct on this.
Libs think it's great though.

lakay

they need rewarded, with jail time or a bullet!!!!

David Z

we shouldnt. the ones that think so are just plain wrong.

cyclops

Yes, but also notice, how most Americans had to Work.
Of course, the Illegals are above the Law, and Besides
they are also demanding ,to be paid, for time off today.

imputh

idk at first i thought u were saying we came here and were illegal immigrants. idk im undecided

Samia

Why must you look at it as a matter of reward. They are not asking for a reward. Fact of the matter is that the immigration laws now a days are not helping people immigrate. There is no opportunity if you don't have someone petition for you or an education. The truth is that many people immigrated into this country and now this country faces a big problem and I BELIEVE that a good solution would be to change the laws.

Rafael G

The american constitution says if a Law is unfair the people can change that law.
These people only want to WORK, you can't put in a same category a person who come to the USA to work like if they are criminals, they are not demanding the right to kill or steal, only the right to WORK.
I think the USA should change some laws about immigration. The reality is that 12 million people can't be illegals anymore.

dealy

yall people are hating on the mexicans >=(

stonethedevil2004

theres no such thing as an illegal immigrant...i perfer to call them illegal aliens.remember last year?maywood post office?go watch the video..it sent chills down my spine.we need to fight to lock down our borders or else i'll have immigrate to mexico LEGALLY

Antis Suck

I want amnesty. Stop being mean. America has enough stuff to share with everybody.

(Nice avatar, by the way.)

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