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The home office came into my husbands business early last year and found that one of his employees was an illegal immigrant with a false passport. My husband was not at fault because the forgery could only be detected with special equipment at the home office.
The employee in question was polite, hard working (far more so than most the native employees) and had an exemplary record for customer service and attendance. My problem is that this morning we received a letter saying that the employee has been sent to prison for 8 months! I am appalled. This guy was filling a job which no British born person seemed to want or be able to fill and contributed to our country. Where is the problem? I have heard of burglars (who have obliterated peoples' sense of security in their own home) who have not received this length of sentence.
So, I suppose my question is, what is the justification for this? What benefit to the country has been achieved? Additional Details Lisa M that is blatant racism - because he is an immigrant he must be a terrorist or indeed is any more likely to be one. Most of our terrorist threat comes from British born people!
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scredawg
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A law breaker has be arrested, law and order will survive! When people start choosing which laws they want to obey and which they don't chaos will ensue... |
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Big Brother
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The justification is that he is in the country illegally and is guilty of forgery. So you think it's okay for polite people to break our laws, wise up ma'am. |
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Andrea
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You don't want people in your country illegally. Whether or not the man was polite and a hard worker is beside the point. While the sentence seems a little harsh by my standards, its much better than the situation we have in america, where even if we do jump over the beurocratic obstacles to deport an illegal mexican criminal (a real criminal, too, not just an alien) They can just walk back into the country and kill more people. One man killed three people drunk driving and just kept coming back into the country after each one.
By punishing that one hard worker you're speaking of, perhaps there was no gain. But by keeping immigration strictly regulated, you avoid our issues. |
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dave_uk06
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And i am appalled that you think that ' being nice' gives anyone a decent excuse to break the law. |
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greychin
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ahem....the operative word here is ILLEGAL immigrant....thats ILLEGAL (as in against the law)...
I dont care if he was the most perfect employee in Gods green Earth...he was here ILLEGALLY...
He only got what he deserved. |
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mallory m
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he broke the law but if you want to help him. Help him with the papers to live in your country |
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catmaninmo
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That has nothing to do with racism!! That has to do with laws being broken and the perpetrator caught! He chose to play the game with the illegal card, now its time to pay. An illegal knows full well they are illegal and going the extra mile to obtain fraudulent documents/passports or other identification is another illegal activity. Cudos to those who took action!
I do feel though, deportation is a better sentence than 8 more months on the taxpayer's dime. |
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My Grain
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You're another one who believes the government when they say the Brits don't do whatever work he does so the position is not able to be filled! Myself and alot of other Brits have/are applying for minimum wage jobs including veg picking,cleaning etc and being told they only take foreigners or automatically turned away cos they're British!I've already rang up racial discrimination about some jobs/employers and I'm a born and bred Brit! |
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He entered a country illegally, he obtained illegal documents by doing so he endangered your husband but some liberal thinking within you seems to think that laws or your husbands business don't matter. "wow don't illegals make great workers, we can use them like slaves, they don't ask for petty things like workers rights, like those lazy Brits" I'm sure if your or your husbands job was undercut by an illegal you wouldn't have been so quick to defend him. |
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Molly Pitcher
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You should be grateful that your husband was not arrested for hiring him. I understand that forgeries can be hard to spot, but if officials REALLY wanted to push the issue, they could have given your husband a minor charge. If a person has knowingly broken the law, as this employee did, then they should have to face the consequences and do the time/face deportation. |
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Tinker
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I think that deportation would have been better..
Having said that you seem to have lost an employee....
Could he not have applied for papers retrospectively?, and kept his job....
Difficult to say but 8 months is harsh when worse crimes get lesser sentences... |
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Philip H ©
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The sentence sounds very harsh, he merley should have been deported as he broke the law when he entered illegally to get an 8 months sentence he must have done something else. You seem to have used the rest of your question to have a go at the British workforce labelling them lazy, isn't it strange how where always being told not to label all immigrants and yet some choose to label our own.
Lisa M only pointed at the fact he could have been a terrorist that's not racist, its common sense, he was already a criminal. Playing the racism card doesn't cut it on this occasion |
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Commander K9
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First off, there was NOTHING racist about Lisa's answer. She was 100% correct in her answer. It is bleeding hearts like yourself that make it so easy for the "1 bad apple" to get mixed in with the good bunch. There are immigration facilities, there are immigration laws. The immigrant has a choice and this one chose his negative consequences. |
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ADad
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For a minute there I was expecting you to say your husband was going to be prosecuted, which would be unfair.
You should understand that there is no point in having rules and regulations regarding immigration if they are not being enforced and acted on. Sure he seemed like a good employee , hard working and all the rest of it and there are many other illegals who are far more deserving of deportation , no doubt. That is just how it goes sometimes.
You say he was filling a job that no British wanted etc, that may be true. If it is I am sure there were other suitable, legal immigrant applicants. |
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Kat M
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ONE MORE TRESPASSING CRIMINAL AND FORGER HAS GOT WHAT'S COMING TO HIM. I'M APPALLED HE ONLY GOT 8 MONTHS!!
I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE MORE FACILITIES LIKE THE ONE HE'S IN FOR SUCH PEOPLE, THEY ARE CRIMINALS NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT!!! APPLY FOR THE VISA BEFORE YOU BREAK THE LAW!!! |
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tom p
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Obviously your are being blinded by something. The key word is "ILLEGAL". Most ILLEGALS do work hard and stay under the radar. Maybe this is not his first time getting caught and they are punishing hin for being a dumba$$.
Stop worrying abou the one ILLEGAL, and focus on giving the job to someone who is here LEGALLY. Or, better yet born here. |
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Joel W
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He broke the laws of the land. He sought, or he forged documents to do that. Eight months is a good length of time for that conduct.
And while burglars are ugly, document forgery is actually a good deal worse. |
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Mark S
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No benefit at all, I own an electrical contraction company and i employ more polish than british now as they are hardworking and loyal then any other britsh counterparts |
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TheGreatWhite
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Yes it's right. End of thread |
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news hound
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would it not have been as easy for you to check with the authorities I understand you are obliged to do so?.outside of the passport checks?He came into our country, in doing so he broke our laws, like it or not, they put him where he should be, and any others of similar elk. |
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flu_flu
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I think it is ridiculous filling up the prisons which should be full of drug dealers, rapists, murderers, etc. He was doing a service to the country and as you stated his work record was excellent and he was contributing to the economy rather than sponging off the dole. Immigrants that work in this country are often hard working as they want a continuous wage to provide for their family....like any other person. My Grandfathers were immigrants and they worked hard and all of my family have worked and contributed to the country's economy....do not tar immigrants with the same brush! |
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