Isn't it unfair of people to denounce immigration given that the whole of US is made of immigrants?

Mama~peapod

There are some people against immigration in general. But in today's society that can not happen, people are more educated; more able to travel; able to move about the world through work. So no, you can not stop it.

What needs to be addressed is illegal immigration which is a totally different issue from LEGAL immigration. That is what needs to be stopped!

geniepiper

My ancestors immigrated causing massive disruption and ultimately all but destruction to the culture of the people already living here.

I am not responsible for what my ancestors did. I was born here. I am not an immigrant.

That said. The idea that we can just throw open our borders to whoever, how many ever, want to come here is just crazy. This was never really a wide open country. It sure isn't now. We have all we can do to take care of our own people regardless of their color, don't need any more people, regardless of their color.

laurajeanne79

I think some of it deals with how exactly immigration went down in the past. When my great grandfather came to Ellis Island, he was subjected to many different processes, including screening for any medical problems. Basically, he did it legally. I think some people would back off if immigrants came into the States legally instead of just thinking they have a God-given right to be here.

america8298

No my family dates back to the 14th century here in these United States
I have no problem with immigrants or migrants as long as they do it through the legal channels and if told to leave do so.

G Y

Stopping immigration into the U.S. and wanting to curb illegal immigration are two different things. Anybody that believes we should seal our borders to immigrants are being hypocrites, but I believe their numbers are few. The U.S will always allow a certain amount of immigrants, but 9/11 has changed the way we look at security. Our borders need to be secure so nobody crosses illegally. Amnesty is an incentive for more law breakers and breaking the law should always have negative consequences. A baby born to an illegal should have the same citizenship as their parent no matter where they're born! Hear that Canada?

serenely, soMEone

You can say that easily enough. But do you drive an "automobile"? Have you ever taken an "aspirin"? Does your house benefit from the safety of "grounding" provided by a simple "lightning rod" (invented by Benjamin Franklin and protected by patent law)?

All these things make you dependent on the "modern world".

A world you'd be loathe to abandon for the simpler, more wolf-ingested times of yore.

Most indigenous peoples of the Americas have done far more than assimilate - they have contributed and become LEADERS in this modern world.

In fact, if you'll read Cowlitz tribe-member Rod Van Mechelen's articles concerning Native Americans, you'll quickly realize that the tribes would have been as quick to conquer Europe as Europe conquered them, had the technological race started here instead of there.

This innocence and naive assumption will only serve to stumble those who cloak themselves in it.

The tribes were at war long before Columbus and would STILL be in their struggles were it not for the unavoidable forces of convergence that ultimately affect ALL people.

Some simple advice: Don't be bested in the art of introspection by those you think you criticize. If they're looking inward and you aren't, they're ahead of you despite your best intentions to corral and convict them.

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Elizabeth, above, has a noble and sweet vision for a better world. Remember, though, that the road to hell is paved and re-paved with good intentions. If she were to lose a child or two to the chaotic clashes happening regularly as a result of the absence of law, I predict that her explanations and hopes would be qualified, then revised, then changed then... then she'd ultimately accept that LAW, like government, is more than just an evil thing. It is, and has always been, a necessary evil.

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Mike

I don't think anyone here is denouncing immigration.

I do believe that everyone here is denouncing ILLEGAL Immigration.

bravozulu

It is perfectly fair and reasonable to object to the refusal of the government to enforce the border. I might actually agree with the dims to impeach Bush over that one to stop further presidents from selective enforcement of the law.

whitelily

jonn449

Hmmmm, let me see if I understand this right.......
I was born in the US,
my parents were born in the US,
both sets of grandparents were born in the US,
all of their parents were born in the US,
etc,
etc,
etc,
back until the late 1600's.
This makes me an immigrant how again?

You think US immigration laws are tough, read the Mexican Constitution.

katie d

No we are a country now. each country has laws and we must abide by them we can't just open the flood gates now.

Andrew L

You could say that the only continent with true natives is Africa, because all migrations began there. Immigration has beneficial effects, but in a congested country (like the UK) it does need to be controlled in some way.

US_Justice_101

As a First Nations, U.S. native American indian, let me start by informing you that we consider "red indians" to be a racist slur, and offensive term. If you knew the history of this nation, you would understand why. Would you be using the "N" word when making reference to black people"?

To answer the question about immigration:
The people of this nation, including U.S. native American indians do not support illegal immigration, or illegal immigrants.
I do not think the people of the United States have any problem with legal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants are criminals, they enter the USA illegally, or overstay a visa in violation of United States federal laws, knowing that in doing so they commit a crime. That is wrong and it is unlawful. It is disrespectful of our nations sovereignty, our nations laws, our borders, our history and our citizens.

People need to understand there is a fundamental difference between people who apply to immigrate legally and those who make a premeditated decision to violate our immigration laws. The illegal immigrants tend to break all laws after they are here, they are inherantly of criminal mindset, they will never function as a law abiding citizen.

This nation has the right, as a sovereign nation, to protect our borders from invasion, including the invasion of foreign nationals who come here to take more than they contribute to our nation, who do not want to be a law abiding citizen of this nation, who will never put the interests of this nation, and the people of this nation above the interests of their homeland.

crazy_devil_dan

I don't believe anybody is denouncing immigration just the uncontrolled and out of hand illegal immigration

elizibeth go cuddle with the serial killers all they did was break the law as well

Daniel F

Yes!!

visvardis

would making mexico a state totally solve the problem lol

Darkchild

Yea just another one of the ironic things in life hey!! People can see others but can't see themselves.

Helen Scott

Yes, it is. I am Native American....and when I see people fighting about how immigrants should go home on here...I laugh. You're all immigrants to me. :)

Elizabeth

Yes! That's what people are trying to say! Also, a lot of the people that immigration is bad and that they're stealing money... well those people need to get better informed. And the whole "well they're 'illegal' what part of 'illegal' don't you understand!"
I honestly think that humans shouldn't be labeled as "illegal". What is wrong with people? It's only "illegal" because a group of people deemed it so. But seriously I don't think that saying you don't like them just because "they're illegal" is right. I don't think anyone has the right to say that anyone in the world is illegal just because they move somewhere! If you think about it; illegal means bad. And I don't believe just because you move somewhere you are bad.

Everyone just needs to come into this debate with an open mind and research both parts of the story! And know that just because someone says it doesn't mean it's right. There are often liars or people that are not well informed.
:(

Just do the right thing.
And let's try to aim for world peace :)
Because a lot of people have given up on that just because they've deemed it "impossible". Even if it is impossible let's all try to aim for world peace and see how far we get :)

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Let's just not turn our back on humanity.
We're crowded in America... Yeah, I know that.
But realize that we're not the only ones with this problem!
We just can't say "No, don't come here because it's crowded and we don't need anymore people"
We're all living on this Earth and we need to make the experience here as positive as possible.

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