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exert-7
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If the man did not want to earn his pay he should have gone and applied for welfare instead of a J.O.B. You did the thing that needed doing. |
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speakeasy
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It is unfortunate that some people regard their race is a shield against job performance review. You are not a racist - he is. |
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barneysmommy
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Had an identical problem. As you as someone is dismissed it is like they cannot accept they are wrong and try to make it right for next time, they have to find something else to blame it on.
Our ex-employee tried to take us to Tribunal but it was thrown out as being ridiculous.
If we were racist why would we employ them in the first place.
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Correctlinguistics
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Fire him and don't hire anyone on the protected list. This way if you run into this issue again, you can do your job without problems. This crap is just part of the reason so many companies are going overseas. I hate the idea of how much freedom we have lost because we have to be PC even when someone else is not pulling their weight. |
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Andrew1968
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no you are not racist at all, people use this as an excuse sometimes to hide the fact that they are not up to the job it's not a problem and offer a tribunal in fact instigate it first it tends to throw those who are trying to pull the racist card unwarranted on the back foot . but do not hestitae to be biased in you choice of another employee cos not everybody is like that you know! |
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The BudMiester
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I don`t blame you. Some of them pull the racist card out whenever something doesn`t suit them. Why can`t they see things for what they really are? They don`t know what they`re really doing by dealing with situations in this way. |
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patriot07
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no, it makes you a skilled employer. |
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seals_is_back
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Unfortunately, playing the old "race" card has become the SCAPEGOAT for EVERY race except the white race!!!! It's RIDICULOUS that people use this EXCUSE to try and justify their inappropriate behavior!!!
So, if it was this guys work ethics and NOT his "color" or "race", then NO you are not a racist!!!
That word is just used WAY too much!!! |
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Johnny Conservative
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He would have to have proof of this abuse. Also, if you hire a minority to replace him, his argument would lose alot of merit. |
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No, I don't know what to call my self any more because i am an American who's skin is brown, i do not represent what most people call black. But i know a lot of people yelling that race stuff out of anger. |
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joe_on_drums
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From a Human Resources point of view, he is grasping at straws. But when an employee is dismissed, they always want to blame the company.
You did nothing wrong by what you have shared with us. You let an employee free to explore other employment opportunities due to a failure to cooperate with company processes. He didn't care to engage in the assigned work, as did the other employees. He took charge without BEING in charge.
As for crying racism, don't let that ever bother you. It is cried all the time, wrongfully most of the time. If he really wanted to work there, he would have followed the rules and completed the assigned work, wouldn't he? But he DIDN'T want to WORK with you and the others.
You are safe and in the right, let him cry all he wants. Your staff will support you just by declaring the truth. Let that "sour grapes" employee go off and try to make "wine" somewhere else. |
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John Notafakename
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Thats called pulling the race card, you see although many african americans think they do not have the same rights as some people, they actually have specail rights. My dad can only fire his white employies because of that, if he wants to fire an african american or a mexican employe he useaully ends up going to court. People have been laid off because many companys have to make room for minoritys to be a part of it. The race card is a cruch. If i had an african american boss and he fired me could i say its because im white, or what if i wanted to start a white college fund or celebrate white history mounth, would i be races. African americans have black college funds and black history mounth. But no i would be races if i did any of that. |
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usha4pillai
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Of course you are not a racist, you employed him in the first place, he wasn't performing, disrupting the functioning of your company, so you sacked him. NO PROBLEM!
It's common practice for coloured people to claim racism for the slightest reason, I'm of Indian origin,I was born in the UK and worked till my retirement, and never faced any harassment. I just did my job to the best of my ability, my colleagues and bosses were 'colour blind!
Don't worry. |
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Crazybird
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That's a problem so many employers face. You have to be fair yet anytime you try and do proper enforcement of any of your regulations.......it simply can't be because they aren't doing their job.....it has to be because of their race. I've worked with many who were exceptional employees. And others who wouldn't do a darn thing with an attitude of "go ahead....just try and get rid of me." We actually had one try and play the race card because she was warned and warned and warned about not being able to wear her fuzzy house slippers to work. It was a big box store. She was on the floor so it wasn't like she was standing behind a register. It's against the health and safety policies. They told her if she had foot problems or something....get a note from the Dr. explaining why slippers were the only footwear she could wear.....something. But no. She didn't win.....but it just goes to show how basic safety rules can turn into the race card. Sad. |
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Mrs G
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It just take one bad apple - doesn't it...but these days it seems to be an easy Kop out to get some Compensation...as soon as the word Racist & Discrimation is used ..Courts & Tribunuals duck for cover.and write the cheque out...without even hearing the employers side of the story. Its a pity it has come to this, but I would tend not to hire any Coloured people -- Because it would only cause problems..In Glasgow we have enough problems with Catholic V Protestant .issues . so it is not me being racist - I am just not in control of the other staffs feelings & views.. which they have their opinion to have - and those sarcastic views seem to upset ethnic minorities.. |
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Mendi8a
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its not racism if race is not the reason for his dismissal, and if you did not treat him unfairly due to his race. Do NOT choose a white person to replace him only because this one black person is crying faul, choose the right person for the job. |
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VidaUK
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If you are in the UK then he will probably pursue it. But as long as you have good documentation of his negative performance, and that you followed the necessary procedure of the warnings system then you should be fine.
If someone isn't performing well I believe that you have to offer them every chance to improve their performance - additionally they do not have full employment rights until 12 months. Clearly though, if he is claiming you sacked him because of his race and not about his performance he will be able to get around the 12 month rule. I would also suspect it is not the first time he has done this if he was so confident about not improving his performance at work.
If you didn't keep a log, follow the guidance - get yourself a good solicitor and put it down to experience! |
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no that doesnt mean you r racist.. that person just using racism...and he need to prove it... |
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vdv_desantnik
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no this doesnt make you racist. It makes him racist because he thinks that all white people are racist and they only take action against black people because they are racist and its never because they are in the wrong. And dont worry about anything else, if hes been working with you for less than a year its not enough for a tribunal!! |
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David
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i am sick to death of tos*ers like this using the race card.No wonder it's losing it's impact..When the courts are hearing race cases the accuser should be warned if they falsely accuse anyone there would be a sentence for them |
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oddball59
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Of course it doesn't mean you are racist! Like you say, you took him on, well you wouldn't have if you were racist. There are good and bad in ALL races. |
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JUSTME
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It doesn't sound like his dismissal was based on the color of his skin, rather than his work performance... Best of luck to you. |
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cswint2000
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You don't sound like a racist to me. No matter what color your skin is if you don't pull your load it will only made it harder on the other employees. It's good you got rid of the bully. |
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magdaleal14
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As long as you have a good reason to dismiss him there should be no problem. He probably just saw it as you were picking on him and not the "white man". And no it does not make you racist as long as you didn't shout racial slurs at him. |
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blissman
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The good old race card...played every time by ethnics...if you don't get what you want then use the card.....the scourge of the UK. |
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wishstar28
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you had every right to dismiss this person. if he was a white guy you would of done the same thing. the sad part of it is they use that for the sake that they can. a white person cant use that what so every. he done wrong and wrong was wrong. there may of been some co-workers that might of said something to him , but you also don't know what he may have said to him first and they have every right to defend there self. and if he wants to say if you were being racist then why did you hire him in the first place. i feel sure you have other non- whites that work there to start with. he just wants to use the whole race as a issue to get something out of it. since they he knew he done wrong. so why not use it to keep a job. so do you have any written warnings that you gave to this guy? normally it's a verbal one first. which they still sign the paper and then it's 2 or 3 written then your out on the street. which they also sign all of them. so if you don't have any thing like that then you maybe be in the wrong. and you really don't know how someone is going to be until after the fact. next time call the references to find out how they really are. |
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estephania2182
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no that is not racist. just like it is not racist if a white cop shoots a black criminal.....If it is warranted then it has nothing to do with race!!!! |
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LadyMoonlight!!
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No if you are sacking him because he is not performing up to standard thats just the way you would treat any employee, regardless of colour.
If someone tries to play "the race card" and claim their dismissal was race related then let him go to a tribunal - he'll soon be exposed as a liar when he has no proof of this "racial abuse" to show the judge. |
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