The average Englishmen I have met so far seem to be poorly educated: they need a calculator to to find out how

Johnny D' Venison

Bcuz dey be ignant marther fruckrerz, guvnor!

jen <3's random Bs

How many do you know personally?

ps I wouldn't throw stones if I were you. Your grammar leaves much to be desired.

I speak English. I don't need to know any other language.
However, I would like to learn Mandarin and Spanish in the future.

You didn't answer the q. How many do you know? 3? 4? 5? 100? Even if it were 100 it's too small of a sample to represent the population. Take a statistics course.

***I meet ~18,000 diff ppl per school yr. Many are bright, but many are sub par in the intellect dept. I'm a sub teacher.
I read a great deal. I currently have a BA in English and I'm now in the MA program. I understand you perfectly. I gather that you're rather pompous and full of yourself. Instead of acting like a burro perhaps you could put your brain to usage and become a teacher. Cheers.

**** It depends. If you were to move about and leave your social circle and interact w/several diff circles, it would be a much better random sample. Using myself as an example, I only get to see 7th -12th graders in an area in CA flooded w/anchor babies who don't give a shat about learning. If I only based my opinion on such a small sample (even though the # is huge at 18,000) I'd still be wrong. The idea is to go to colleges, learning centers, and social settings. Possibly where you meet these people gives you a skewed result. I worked at a retail store before and if I had judged the entire population on that alone it'd be wrong b/c those people were morons.

btw I've met a few Irish and Brit tourists and I had a great time w/them. They were very polite and didn't try anything crass. Also, how old wer these Englishmen whom you met and did you ask them questions on education level? What other qs did you ask them about geography and science. The degree of difficulty of the q is important. I'm not the best in those subjects either. My strengths are art &literature.

Steve C

You seem to have be confusing the "average" Englishman with the social underclass with whom Eastern Europeans are frequently in competition for low paid jobs. Every ecomomy requires a pool of unskilled or semi skilled labour to perform the basic functions required by it's population. The influx, en-masse, of workers from abroad into that labour market is likely to cause disquiet in the indigenous labour market leading to the boorish behaviour your question implies you've experienced.

However, given the overwhealmingly condescending tone of your rant (which was barely disguised as a question), I feel the difficulties you have experienced may be due to people reacting to the rather large chip you appear to have on your shoulder.

Dirty Martini

It's just a guess: Maybe its because of attitudes demonstrated toward them by those immigrants.

You know--those that come to their country to take full advantage of what they have built, while they make fun of them, and post negative comments about them on the internet....

Red Trooper

LOL Yeah ok.

Usefull job, you lot come here and think cleaning after us for minimum wage is a usefully job, bravo, not that i have a problem with you lot, your more than welcome, but if you want to moan about it, don't come.

Dave J

Admittedly there are a lot of "same-heads" in our great nation who need the valued support and commitment of the educated.
Engineers like myself to maintain, develop and prosper this, our homeland.

So...
Sponging immigrants, who bring down OUR economy, by doing "menial" jobs for less than minimum wage so THEY can claim.....Housing benefit, income support, jobseekers allowance, free medical care, invalidity benefit ... and ...(this one is a corker!!!) CHILD BENEFIT.....FOR THEIR KIDS WHO ARE STILL BACK IN THE SH1THOLE THEY ESCAPED FROM BY PAYING A TRAFFICER TO BRING 'EM OVER IN A CONTAINER!!

So yeah, let us help OUR disadvantaged... let them work for the minimum wage, let them better themselves and be a credit to OUR country.
Instead you send all your pitance and benefits home to improve your families life whilst putting NOTHING BACK into our homeland.

In essence... fcuk off back and improve your own country from the inside!

thevinternet

Firstly, please don't criticise our maths when your grammar and spelling is incorrect, it's rather rude, especially if you are a visitor here.

How many English people have you met exactly? It's true that certain members of our society struggle with numeracy and literacy, but that's true for the disadvantaged in every country in the world - perhaps you haven't met very many of us? Or perhaps you've only met "people like those described" as you put it.

We generally have great aspirations and demands because we are a proud and hopeful people, and want to make both our lives and our country better. This bold spirit is what what made us once the most powerful country in the world, and got us through two World Wars. I would like to point out that we remain one of the most powerful and prosperous countries in the world, so we can't be that poorly skilled. What exactly do you mean by "any useful job"? Because our scientists, inventors, engineers and surgeons are in fact some of the best in the world. We just don't like to boast about it - it's seen as slightly crass; perhaps this attitude is slightly detrimental.

There is hostility towards immigrants in some areas, but this is because our government is not fully in control of the situation, and many illegal immigrants are getting into the country. Furthermore, there is an intergration problem, with many immigrants struggling to learn the language, or living in self-segregated areas. There is also a perception that asylum seekers receive "special treatment", often getting priority for council houses and recieving special financial benefits. Whether this is correct or actually a myth, I can't say - I simply don't know enough about the subject.

This "blaming immigrants" issue is further exacerbated by the media (especially the tabloid newspapers), as they realise that fears of "immigration gone mad" sells a lot of newspapers, and jump on even the smallest story or statistic, blowing it out of all proportion.

I'm not a racist in any way, but then again, it is estimated there is still a backlog of 450,000 failed asylum seekers living in Britain. Failed - as in, should have gone back home by now and haven't been deported. This is way too high, but people should be angry at the government for this, not the asylum seekers themselves.

RedWhite&Blue

People are un-educated in every culture including the USA.

Dirty Martini

Sounds like you are quite unhappy where you are. Perhaps it is time to leave and go back where you came from. You'll make both countries happy I'm sure.

dryheatdave

The English public school system is the best in the world - people from many countries send their children to English schools AFTER completing school in their home countries, in order to learn MORE.

BUT, state education in England is just as good as American state education.....i.e.......

chopper

we don't need all these people coming to England taking our homes and our jobs, there is a simple answer to your question, if you don't like it here IL show you how to get to the nearest airport, i go abroad often and i do not insult the residents of the country's i visit, what gives you the right to insult us ???

dave

"Why is that, then, the people like those described above blame immigrants for everything what is going wrong in their country?"

Its because they cannot add 2.5 to 1.5 without a calculator

jimquk

Come on EE, don't let all the cr@p on here get you bitter; it may be that those are the Brits where you live, work etc, it's a bit like people coming on here judging Romanians by the Gypsies they meet in the street, they're not strictly representative.

No-one denies that there are problems with our education system, with cultural attitudes toward education, work, entitlement, etc, but to be honest these problems exist in some form and to some degree in all Western countries in my opinion.

ian

sorry! who was it claiming superiority

Jimmy F

OMG take ur @$$ back to the 3rd world sewer u came from.

wild-man of Borneo

Just blunders and slip-ups with human errors created back in the past being expose in time in the new millenium after the mystery of us-911.
Getting kick on the butts as casualty of the dead Mummy in not worshiping God at loss with our creator's universal gifts of life vital for the survival and advancement of living human kind.
Without being aware of the mess created in own backyards.
Luke 9.55-56

strange s

Now you talking stupid

intrigue

Our Government and Press always blame the last one in for our own wrong doings.
Bad education - must be the Poles fault for bringing their children
Failings by the NHS - obviously the foreign health tourists fault
Overcrowded Prisons - Must be the criminal foreigners again
Not enough affordable homes - Asylum seekers must taking them all

They fail to see that these things have always been wrong and by blaming the immigrant it takes the blame away from themselves, instead of actually doing the sensible things and spending MONEY on our education, on the NHS on new Prisons, and building more affordable homes.

by blaming the immigrant it means that the government don't have to be held accountable and don't have to reach into their pockets.

Leorey

Who ever you are, you are clearly not from UK. Who cares about speaking another language, English is the best. Clearly you attract the wrong sort of people because I only meet the sophisticated and intelligent type. Of course it depends which class you're from. Like they say, you attract what you are.

firecat_mage

Of course, you have met thousands of English people in order to come to this conclusion.

I am going to go out on a limb and surmise that you are American,
Speaking for myself, I am poorly educated with only a single Doctorate in Archeoanthropology, 2 Masters Degrees in Archeology and Biology. I also speak 5 languages on top of my native tongue.

Try not to consider the members of a nation by the few you have experience with.
If I were to do the same, I could say that as an American, you are loudmouthed, overweight with a poor grasp of the finer points of the English Language.

I, however, would not presume to form an opinion on a race of people until I had met (and got to know) each and every one of them.

DAR

You think the answer to this is to flood their schools with immigrants who can't pay their way, and drive their education levels down further?

Being from the US, I have to sympathize with the burdens being put on their education system due to their historic generosity.

Abused generosity tends to end, you do know that, don't you?

trish

Its not the immigrants who are to blame for the problems we face its the government for allowing in so many of them. And, for allowing them to rip off our benefits system. If you were living in your country of origin how would you like to be treated like the invader.

If we didnt spend so much on immigrants maybe we could afford to spend more on educating our children properly and giving them the health service we once enjoyed. Maybe our young people would be able to afford a decent house and just maybe we wouldnt have to concrete over our greenbelt

Not the fault of the immigrants whos own country obviously holds little in the way of living standards but our own government who have sold us out

nick

Yeah you're completely right. To many natives here can't string a sentence together in their own language, are completely clueless about the world they live in, and basically expect the government to hand them everything on a plate. Give me Polish to work with any day. They're harder working, better educated. And in my experience, better looking!

rebel

surely its you who comes from a backward country,we use you as cheap labour,and if any govt party promised to remove immigrants they would win hands down,and talking about being clever,surely eastern europeans realise the majority of us english,dont want them here.please bear in mind your qualifications are not worth any thing over here our standards are a lot higher,i could go to any eastern european country and become a doctor in three months,so you aint that clever mush.

finger lickin` good

alright then enstien

hopper13

I love your question, really and truely love it. I am English and believe I have reasonable intelligence, I speak a little bit of a few other languages and have a thirst for knowledge about other cultures.
You are right there are many ignorant and stupid British people, although I would say not all of us are like that and whilst you are angeered by people judging all 'immigrants' the same I would say dont judge all British people the same.
I think the influx of foreign workers is only a good thing, the only jobs you really take are the ones that the lowest classes in our coutry are too lazy to take, you should be being paid a lot more and get a lot more respect, and also I think people who live here who are native to other countires should come into our schools and work places and educate us on the country they come from and they upbringing they have.
good luck to you matey!

Dont turn on me, the majority of people who come to this country to work, and if Im right what makes people so mad, are doing slightly more menial tasks! Im on your side!

Low Profile

why is it that a di-k head like you is so selfish in taking up a lot of space on this idiotic question!!!!now go to a country that will take your bull sh-t!!! preferable were you came from!!!!

the tenant

I'm English and I too am amazed at times at the seeming lack of education in a lot of people, who went to inner-city state comprehensives just like me and really have no excuse.

I have to say that on the whole I agree with you. It's not everyone, but too many people in this country want something for nothing.

They also blame a lot of the country's problems on the so-called problems of immigration. They assume (in my personal experience) that all immigrants are illegal and should be sent back to where they came from. They don't understand that often, people pay money to live here and come to fill gaps that we just can't fill.

I work in a hospital. About half the doctors in the department are immigrants. If there were British doctors to fill the posts, then the posts would have been filled by British doctors. I'm sure the same can be said for other professions, too. It works both ways - there are plenty of skilled British people working abroad.

Even when it comes to unskilled labour - I used to work in the catering department of another hospital. They were severely understaffed at one point, in an area of high unemployment, yet the only applicants for the jobs were immigrants. They aren't stealing the jobs, they are doing the jobs that no-one else wants to do anyway.

The biggest problems in this country are caused by lack of education and training, lack of proper careers guidance and lack of discipline. Not by immigration. Immigration comes way down the list! It's just a convenient scapegoat topic.

NATALIE W

Actually, every country has its share of undeucated and educated people. I am british. A lawyer with a Master's degree. I speak 3 languages. You will find that in the Us, Germany etc they all have people who are not well educated and those that are. The main problem here is that this is our country and we are aware that we need a certain amount of migrants, especially in Highly skilled fields but generally we don't want more unskilled people or more people in skills that we have enough of locally i.e. IT. As a point of interest University used to be free here but that was changed because almost everyone went to University and nobody was willing to the menial work. The average English person is educated and well-spoken - you obviously hang around with quite the wrong type of people or in the wrong places. If these people are poorly skilled as you state why would we want more poorly skilled people in our country. It is the poorly skilled that do suffer the most from an influs of other poorly skilled workers willing to work for less. Again, this is our country generations of us have made it what it is and we have always welcomed legal, useful migrants who do not drain the economy. It is the others that put people's backs up. Should I ask the question why you feel so strongly your way after all why come live here if you don't like the people - go somewhere you do. I am happy to welcome skilled migrants who are willing to accept the british way of life otherwise go somewhere else.

Buffalo Bill

I agree. I would rather live next to an immigrant than have one of these BNP idiots for a neighbour. Anyone who feels that their jobs are being stolen should go to night school or university and get a better education.

What harm does it do if we Brits go without a few luxuries so that a fellow human being from a different location to ours, can have a better quality of life?

The people that you call "the average Englishman" are in reality, the lowest of the low. They are the pond scum at the bottom of this countries social ladder. They are usually uneducated, loud mouthed, aggressive morons who are afraid of and are intimidated by anything that they don't understand. They see immigrants as being below them and they cling to that so that they can feel better about themselves. They use it as an excuse for their dull and meaningless lives when they should really be pointing the finger at themselves and their parents for not getting a decent education.

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