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Yes, this country is not big enough for the mish mash of different religions and cultures that immigration has brought to it. It`s upsets the indigenous population who see things changing for the worse. We are seeing our identity as a nation being eroded. Many immigrants come to live in this country and can`t even be bothered to learn the language. They want the best of both worlds, to carry on with their religion and culture therefore segregating themselves from integration, socialisation and unity. |
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barryboys
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In 1968 he had the chance to view how the west of Scotland had coped with mass immigration of Irish over the last hundred years. Had he studied this case, he would have realised that his vision of irretrievable breakdown of society did not occur. |
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ladywoodboy
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Yes . he was right, but no one else in his party at the time had the intelligence or courage to support him, |
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Gobilina
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Yes far right, further right than Genghis Khan,
he made Margaret Thatcher look like a lefty. |
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Jason
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Actually Enoch Powell was not a racist, but he was concerned about the long term effects of mass immigration.
He got it right I'm afraid.
Personally i am not opposed to some immigration, but it is totally out of hand now.
I work in retail, there is (for example) one store in Manchester where 70% of staff & customers are immigrants. The store manager is thinking of arranging English lessons. That says it all really.
Managed immigration, with intergration into both local and the wider community would have been OK. What we are seeing is the loss of our identity, particularrly in England. |
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Our Man In Bananas
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His warning has not been vindicated ...
At the time it was a political bombshell - the Wilson government put new legislation before the Queen within days to restrict uncontrolled immigration from the commonwealth.
But even if it was wrong (and I believe it was), it was needed for someone to say it just to start the debate and make people appreciate the issues.
I see no rivers of blood, I just see a Britain changing and evolving, yes with problems and challenges, but that has always been the case.
Good question, thank you.
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Enoch Powell was entirely wrong in making his so called "Rivers of Blood" speech.
To be totally frank and honest, the average Brit simply does not give a damn about what some see as a problem of immigration.
For myself, so long as something approximating English as she is spoke, issues forth from a person, I pay no attention what so ever to their race colour or creed.
I met a black American who has been doing some work in my house today. He told me he will not be returning to the USA ever and that people here are a million times more tolerant than back home in the States.
This black American already owns 3 houses here in UK and is running several small but profitable businesses. I told him that if he was not careful he would end up a millionaire.
If your problem is that you can't make it, don't blame your own failure on other people's race origins. It just will not wash!
In the area where I live we have a mixed bag of folk. Indians, Chinese, Pakistanis [who own nearly all the shops] and a bunch of Celts and Anglo-Saxons. We all get on extremely well together. If you want to live here, you'll need about £450,000 for the cheapest house. |
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PATRICK
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Enoch Powell was right. he was not racist he just told the truth |
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prince_henry
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i think you will find that by saying Mr Powell was right you just putting your self down.
the main thrust of his speech was that black and white people could not live side by side with out killing each other.
i think you will agree that yes there will always be some people who cant get along with anyone but on the most part most people live side by side really well.
where i live the same Asian family have run the local shop for the last 30 years, every morning i see all kinds of people using there shop, there is no conflict no hassle no problems, just working class people going about there lives.
its the same where i work, there are people from all walks of life and all religions and there's no problem.
so i say to you and people like you, you must be seeing what you want to see, if most of the white population think you are right., why are the BNP not getting loads and loads of votes?. the truth is coz most people live in the real world.
as for the riots in the UK, how can you call them race riots when when as my father says, who is a high ranking serving police man, it was black and white youths lobbing bricks and bottles at the police.
did gangs of white or black people go round seeking out each others homes and burning them out, ?...no they lobbed paving slabs and bin lids at the police.
race riots my foot. |
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taxed till i die,
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Yes he was right even more so today. |
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thewokinnshere
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A superb mp not like all the tree huggers now |
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eastern_eu
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He was a populist and demagogue, so have been his followers. |
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Sparky
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You're very brave to ask that question on such a PC site. So it deserves an answer. Yes, he was right, we could say what needed to be said back then, these days you can't even say what colour the keys are on a piano without getting into trouble!! |
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Happy Murcia
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If he was refering to the town where I live then he would be very right |
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g.m
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yes he was 100% correct .....people still now have views opinions , but he was right ..." the English are not allowed to have their say anymore"........to many in power with other agenda's..!!!! |
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cahscouter
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Enoch was definately right, look around now, in some towns you go white hunting, cos there aint none |
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nmore
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mr sceptic: no blood shed, no loss of life? what about the 7/7 bombings and the Brixton and Toxteth riots those are just a few examples and soon i fear it will get worse as where i stay people cannont gets houses because of the influx of immigrants and are sick of it |
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Kermit the Frog
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Oh yes. there has been blood on our door steps in the past. |
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The Patriot
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Immigrants and the descendants of immigrants have saved lives. Yes, there has been white people murdered by ethnic minorities, just as there have been those from ethnic minorities murdered by white people. And racism is not limited to those with white skin. All groups of people are tainted by the presence of those amongst them who are racist.
But look around you. The NHS is dependent on doctors from abroad to work to treat people. It was like this when Enoch Powell as an MP. And then, there could be no argument that these people were only there because there were too many immigrants. Back then, the UK needed immigrants to come over to work, not just in factories, but also as engineers, doctors and nurses. It was the work of these people who put the 'Great' back into a Great Britain that was torn apart by the second world war. Both the immigrant population, and those that were in the UK during the war worked hard to get the country back on its feet, and both should be congratulated for it. More importantly with regards to the question, Enoch Powell was responsible for getting immigrants to come to the country to work in the NHS!
Please note though, those who have quite rightly quoted the race riots and also the terrorist attacks of 7/7 and the attempted attacks since, it was white people who first killed with terror in the UK. David Copeland murdered white people as well as those from ethnic minorities in 1999, and of course, let us not forget the IRA.
So, no Enoch was wrong. Those from abroad save more lives than are murdered in race violence and UK nationals killed white UK nationals before ethnic minorities took up terrorism. |
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spannerbox
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If we had M.P's now like Enoch then the country may not be in the state it is today, there are no M.P out there who are brave enough to speak up and tell the truth, they are too afraid of losing their comfortable jobs. Enoch was right without a doubt I think he was a hero and wasn't afraid to speak out, where are the M.P with the balls today ? |
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tony_shand2003
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He knew then the problems we are having now, but the powers at B, knew different,, Boy were they Wrong, and Boy was he right. |
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vdv_desantnik
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he was 100% right, and he was a great mp |
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CT
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Yes he was right in every word he said. He predicted what would happen and it has happened. |
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No. |
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Beer Lover
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was he right? of course he was
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriss_Donald
there`s proof
i bet hardly anyone here has heard of that!!!
how can ppl do that to someone
animals! |
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Manc Lush
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Well you stirred a hornets nest with this one didn't you. Having read other comments I'm amazed at some people's arrogance and ignorance, yes Mr Sceptic you spring to mind. The "river of blood" message made by Enoch was a metaphor that has bore fruit. And you can't ignore or gloss over the London bombings, the Oldham & Bradford riots as he has done. Yes Mr Powell may have been just a bigot, who got lucky with his predictions. Or, as is my suggestion, man is to fickle to embrace fully opposing cultures and therefore we need to advance as a species before we can expect anything to change. Btw To Mr Sceptic and co, attacking White Englishman for their opinions can also be construed as racist, but Enoch was smeared and the smear campaign is still in use today. You are only offered your "free speech" because you say what is expected of you today. |
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jackie m
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He was right and he did say that when we see the black man coming across the bridge we should shoot them. What would be done if someone said that nowadays?? |
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trigga1uk
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The issue should not be was he a racist, a bigot or whatever. The question is was he right? Yes he was! Bit late now though. |
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the.rikstir
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yes and it's plane for all to see |
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