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angela R
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Your so right....The current state of affairs is AMNESTY! They don't want to do anything, but secure the borders and deport, like that will ever happen! This govt. gives all these people a free pass with the current status....With this bill, they will pay a penalty and have to return home and be counted, no such thing with the current state of affairs....A star for you... |
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Alpha Male
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I can agree that this bill does not fit the definition of amnesty. But I just can't agree with it. Here's my views. I'm a third generation Mexican immigrant. My family came here legally and worked hard to assimilate into American life and culture. They learned the customs and language and worked very hard to make sure the rest of my family new that we were Americans first. For the government to give citizenship to people from any country simply because they broke the law by coming here illegally is very insulting to me, my family and the effort we made to become Americans legally and correctly.
Those who will be sent back to their countries are limited to the one who have committed crimes while they were here illegally.
Bottom line, if someone came here illegally they need to be made to leave. It only discredits the hard work and effort of the families who came here legally to just give illegal immigrants citizenship. |
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JessicaRabbit
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Let's discuss your false statements:
1) We are not racist! Illegal immigration has NOTHING to do with race. It is about our laws.
2) We are not liars or being "intellectual dishonest" when we call the Senate bill amnesty. You proved my point with your definition of amnesty. It is a pardon for offenses! The illegals are being forgiven for their crimes!
3) The only illegals that will pay fines are the ones that apply for citizenship. The millions that apply for the Z-Visa pay NO FINES! (Read the bill before you make comments that are totally false!)
I will NEVER agree that the Senate's piece of garbage is NOT Amnesty! If I didn't call it amnesty, I would be a liar and I would be "intellectually dishonest."
Sure, I would like an intelligent conversation on this horrible bill. However, based on YOUR false claims, I don't think this is possible. You know NOTHING about the bill except for the things you want to understand. You are believing the talking points of the weasels in Washington or the pro-amnesty crowd that doesn't give a RAT'S @SS to what Americans want.
The Senate bill IS AMNESTY! Did you miss Jorge Bush's speech today? Jorge called it amnesty!
I hope you realize that you are part of a very small minority. 70 to 80% of Americans DON'T WANT THIS BILL TO PASS! |
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eminembolism
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>>Why do anti-immigrant racists...<<
Dismissed. Asked and answered many times before on this forum. No matter how you slice it, no matter how many times you try to place the race card, this amounts to amnesty. |
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cityslicker42
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You show an inaccurate perception of reality. Citizens who oppose the bill are not anti-immigrant. They are anti criminal invader. That's what opposing illegal immigrants means. To allow them to stay in this country means to pardon them for multiple felonies. That is amnesty. |
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chiquis707
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Main Entry: am·nes·ty
Pronunciation: 'am-n&-stE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Etymology: Greek amnEstia forgetfulness, from amnEstos forgotten, from a- + mnasthai to remember -- more at MIND
: THE ACT OF AN AUTHORITY (as a government) BY WHICH PARDON IS GRANTED TO A LARGE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS.
Hmmm, the act of an authority (as by a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals. Are we not going to pardon the fact that they came here illegally? You and the government can call it what you want but read the real defenition (Merrian-Webster Dictionary) and call it what it is. We are going to forget the fact that they came here illegally and broke the law, that sounds like a pardon to me. |
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bootsontheroad
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Illegal, not with in the law, a criminal act.
GET IT NOW!
BTW, those that scream "racist" the loudest are usually the RACIST. |
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Smug Monkey
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Hmmmm.
Which word is better?
If you don't think it's amnesty-
How about... a Pardon?
The penalty for BREAKING THE LAW by ILLEGALLY Immigrating to the United States is DEPORTATION.
Anything less IS AMNESTY.
I support LEGAL immigration.
Anything else?
Get out and get in line.
I have 2 friends who are in the Lottery for Green Cards and have followed the letter of the law.
Why should those who have BROKEN THE LAW be given ANY break in penalty for their crimes?
END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
END THE ANCHOR BABY PROGRAM! |
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scarlettt_ohara
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You might want to look up the definition of the word racism before playing the race card. Amnesty means a pardon which means that you will not be punished for your crime as prescribed by the law. The law says that illegals must be deported, if the illegals are going to be allowed to stay despite the law, it is tantamount to a pardon or amnesty. That irritates me because I have Hispanic friends who cannot get tourist Visas for their relatives to come visit them here. The government is afraid that they won't go back. I wonder where they get that idea from? Maybe from the illegals who have done just that???? |
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GOD BLESS AMERICA/ANTI LIB
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It's amnesty. |
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☆Bombastic☆
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We're not anti-immigrants, and don't label me a racist - You do not know me. Although I want illegals out and secure borders, it doesn't make me a bigot, racist, fascist, or any other name you'll spew out.. Although, it might make me a patriotic American who's mad as hell, and not going to take your Liberal BS any longer. Keep talking your smack, poor chap.
I know what the bill is S 1639. Don't want to call it Amnesty? Fine, let's call it like it is - Legalizing MILLIONS of illegal aliens who have broken the law, brought diseases, and kill 2,000 Americans each year.
We are PRO-LEGAL immigration.
We are ANTI-ILLEGAL immigration. |
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king Ebanks of USA
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it's amnesty, Deportation is the penalty for illegal aliens?
this bill reward them with legal status for breaking the laws!!! |
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Jeffrey P
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First, since there are no enforcement provisions, it is amnesty. Compliance is voluntary. It only works the way you describe if people want to become legal. Given this country's complete failure to protect its boarders, enforce current immigration policy, there is no reason to believe it will actually happen in the future.
It is amnesty. Its not racist, because the policy applies to all illegal immigrants. Illegal = law breaker = criminal. Get over it. |
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Deidre K
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YOU SOUND LIKE A EXTREME LIBERAL TO ME
I am what most republicans would call a liberal and I am against this Bill. I think that if you entered this country illegally you should be expelled.
President Bush is the spearhead for this CRAP, just another piece of evidence that he cares less about what Americans think and feel
me=liberal democrat
Here are some facts you should know:
40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.
95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
Over 2/3’s of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.
In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).
(All 10 from the Los Angeles Times)
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
http://www.cis.org/
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
The cost of illegal immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University].
The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE .
29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens |
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Anne
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If Amnesty is a patron for political offenses, then using forged and stolen documents goes beyond amnesty, and is a criminal offense. If I stole someones else's identity, and was caught I would go to jail, so the illegals are being let of easy |
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vjg
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It is amnesty and i'm sorry we can't all be "intellectually honest" enough for you. We must all be racists because we don't agree with you and your pro amnesty views adopted from Senators.
It is a general pardon by the way for millions of illegals. Past, present and future. Just like the bill from the 1980s. |
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Joe Below
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Becuase under all the bull **** rhetoric of the Bush administration and Ted kennedy it is amnesty and a disaster for the future of America. It is easy to call us racists, especially since you have no argument and it is the only thing you can think of. |
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Terry
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It excuses the criminal element, gives them citizenship which is a benefit they should have earned not stolen, and also pushes legal immigrants further down the line.
Call it what you like it is wrong, wrong, wrong. |
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I Believe!
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No sir, you are right regarding the diffinition of the word amnesty, but with that said. Just how do you prepose that these people be "fined" or sent back to get in line, neither is workable. it is a failure, and yes 12 million + will get off scott free, and the tax payers will foot the bill. |
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NONAME
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You must be using the Liberals' Dictionary of screw the Legal US Citizen. |
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wunofdamoronbros
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What the bill says they are supposed to do and what actually happens is the question.
Our country has a poor track record on protecting our borders and this bill won't change anything. No matter what it says, it can't or won't be enforced.
That being said, its amnesty. |
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greencoke
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Are you aware that Bush came out and said it was amnesty? Does that mean he is a racist?
What you fail to realize is that people are NOT anti-immigrant, they are anti-ILLEGAL immigrants. There's a big difference. We have no problem with people coming into the country legally. We have to follow the law, why shouldn't ILLEGAL immigrants? |
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yupchagee
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It's just a matter of semantics. They would be getting away with VERY light punishment. Many feel that those who flaut our laws should not be rewarded with a process that leads to citizenship. I am 1 of these people. I'm not a racist since "illegal" isn't a race. |
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Georgia Bulldogs #1
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It is amnesty because the bill will instantly give legal status to all illegals. The penalties come in for those who want to be citizens or permanent residents. But those that do not, will be legal and will have to pay to fines, back taxes, or go home. That fits your definition of amnesty, huh!
Also, the 80% of American citizens opposed to this bill are not anti-immigrant, we are just anti-illegal immigration. I think you need to get your facts straight. |
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HOMER
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Metro, good to see ya back! People are so twisted here. They like to call names and label somethin' on this bill with some unfounded facts . 1st I support the idea of fences in our border states. The existing conditions are so chaotic. Without fences, our situation will get a lot worser. 2nd. This is not an amnesty, the z-visa and legalization process will not be invoked until borders and work-place verification system are implemented. 3rd. In order to obatain permenant residentship/citizenship, the alien has to assimilate, which includes - learning english, holding a steady job, and not committing any crimes. -- 4th. fences are not enough to keep ppl out, we need a rational channel for ppl come in this country legally. - bottonline: our existing system is NOT WORKING. We need reformation. |
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ricmon87
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I don't think they are all racist but they really need to get a grip on what actually is going on. These people refuse to face the facts, the truth, so they spin the whole issue around so it can favor them. They pick only the trash, and makes all "illegal" immigrants seem like evil killers and rapists. But for almost a lot of anti-illegals, it has to come down to plain stupidity and ignorance to make a point. |
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DAR
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I don't care what you call it. It in fact gives those illegally here a deal billions poorer all over the world would jump at if it were offered to any but those illegally here.
However, there are fatal flaws and grabs in the bill that go FAR beyond legalization and even the rolling 10 year amnesty (and that IS amnesty) put in by the 'statute of limitations' on illegal border crossings. This bill needs to die, and anyone who votes for it needs out of Congress. I can see where I will be volunteering heavily in upcoming primary campaigns. |
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Jan
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It most definitely is amnesty. According to this bill,anyone here illegally can automatically get legal status without having to do anything else,ever That is amnesty by your own definition. No fines,no penalties,just given legal status for breaking the law.The only ones that will be required to pay the fines or return to their countries are those who wish to become citizens. If they chose not to,they can stay here forever on their legal status. That sure sounds like amnesty to me,a reward is given for breaking the law with no penalty. |
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ThomasS
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You are right, it should be called "Namaste", which I believe is hello (they are here, we have accepted them for long enough), and much more emphasis on GOODBYE! in some language.
Pronounced No mo' stay! |
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