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mikeysco
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Interesting question.
Revolvers, huh? That's odd, since semi-automatic pistols are by far the most common firearm used by police officers in this country. But I'm sure you know what you're talking about.
Nonetheless, you ask a valid question. And I'd suggest that it's a combination of poor training, poor tactics, and "heat of the moment" emotions. While it's difficult to be able to second-guess any incident like this when you don't have all the information (and you don't, no matter what you think after having watched it on TV), what you did see on TV speaks loudly enough.
There are good reasons to avoid running up to the car door in this situation and at least attempting to do as you say and order the man out. More often than not, that's the way it should be done so in that sense, I would agree with you. However, not knowing all the facts myself, I can't criticize the officers to the degree you seem to want to.
But indulge me for a minute here:
"There is a high rate of police killing unarmed suspects in San Diego. This has happened dozens of times over the years."
What's a "high rate?"
What's "unarmed"? Without a gun? A knife? A 2x4? Anything that resembles a weapon?
How many are "dozens?"
Over how many years?
"The officer(s) involved get a paid vacation while police dept. investigates it's own self. "
I think most would disagree with your concept of a paid vacation.
"To this date, not ONCE have they found themself guilty."
Police departments do not find themselves or anyone else guilty or innocent of anything. That's for a judge or a jury, based on the testimony received during a trial.
"This defies the law of averages."
What, exactly, *IS* the law of averages when it comes to police shootings? I'd love to know so I can avoid being on the wrong end of the average.
"Give some ppl a gun and a badge and the assume more power that they are allowed."
Give some people a computer and access to a worldwide forum and the same thing happens. Your questions would really be more interesting if you would offer something to back up much of what you said instead of using a few superlatives, extremes, and absolutes. |
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Dog Lover
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What ever......
Not to be mean, But:
Dude, I have been in many chases... and more times than not when they "end" the suspect fights or is armed.
Until you have gone through police training and spent a few years on the street..... don't try to judge what you have no idea what you are talking about.
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I have just read your edited posts........... All I can say is that sadly you have no real idea what is really going on in the streets. I just wish you could go spend at least a year on the job in a major city such as mine and you would get it.
I know you are have your mind made up and you are looking for someone to agree with you. Just remember... the answer you pick as best because they agree with you is going to be 100 % wrong.
I hope some day you get out of your shell and see what is happening in the real world! |
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Glen B
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It'd raise a red flag to me why he didn't pull over in the first place. I don't see anyone stepping over any boundaries here. |
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Body by BBQ
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police can't make any assumptions about someone who is resisting arrest - especially if that person has been running and decides later to stop - how do they know he isn't armed?
Their goal is to subdue the subject as quickly as possible and that requires some force. |
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mydragonmoon
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"The man NEVER offers any resistence"
He offered resistance when he refused to pull over, thus causing the police to believe they had a reson to be worried and persue. By not pulling over he is evading. It gives them a resonable suspicion that the man in the car has done something worth running for, thus making him an instant danger in the police officers mind. They don't know weather that person has a gun or anything else. They have a right to protect themselfs and evading by not stoping and then suddenly complying doesn't mean they stop protecting themselfs.
As for him being "non threatening" he becomes a threat as soon as he refuses to stop. |
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rachel
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basically, refusing to pull over gives them reason to believe you're a threat, and stopping the car does NOT mean you're docile. ever seen COPS? people are armed, they pull away and injure the cops that pulled them over, they are NOT guaranteed to be safe. |
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Aviator - THE Resolution
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As soon as the person refuses to pull over they are showing that they don't respect the police's wishes, they aren't complying with the police wishes, they are willing to do things to get away, they are willing to resist complying, and they are not acting rationally. At that point the police have to assume that the person will continue to act this way until they can gain complete control over them. For their safety and the safety of the person, they want to get control of them as quickly as possible. |
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davidmi711
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They should have tasered the moron while he was at it. His refusing to stop is an dangerous act of resistance. It sounds to me like the response was appropriate. He is lucky he didn't get shot.
The police DID give him an opportunity to be arrested peacefully, when they first turned on the lights and sirens. This is when law abiding normal citizens pull to the right as required by law instead of setting of on a dangerous course of evading and eluding. |
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Nathan
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they think that if he wont pull over, hes hiding something. so they have to do that |
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Noelle
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I'm sorry but they have the right to do whatever they want if the person takes their sweet time getting "pursued". Most of the time when that happens they driver is hiding something or trying to come up with a story...I have no sympathy for them.
If you don't act suspect then you don't get treated like a criminal |
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Ryan
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Why did he run from the police in the first place if he had nothing to hide? Offering resistance is clearly posing a threat or suspicious in my book. Seeing many officers have died in similar situations, its understandable why they would use this level of force.
If a police officer wants you to pull over, do so. Simple concept. |
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lorencehill
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I guess you are trying to make a case for police brutality....but nice try, no cigar. HE RAN from the Cops!!! That is a felony offense. Only after he had try'd to outrun them, did he pull over, and try to give himself up. With the world today, you want to blame the POLICE???? No one knew why he was running, and POLICE have to use comon judgment on how to keep alive and safe. I am sure he wasn't beaten like some of the worst police brutality cases in history....they pulled him out, they arrested him. No where did you say they beat him.
Yes the man might be mentally disturbed, or high on drugs, or drunk, or hiding a gun or knife. The man might be a murderer, a rapist, a drug dealer, a wife beater, a kidnapper, who knows, maybe even a common law abiding citizen that broke the law and then ran from the police. The police did the right thing. |
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Curious1usa
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Nobody has the right to resist arrest. Without knowing any details about the situation you are describing, I can tell you that the driver's unwillingness to submit to the police by pulling over as soon as it was safe to do so demonstrates his resistance and failure to comply. Once he did stop, the police had the right to make contact with the driver and control him to such a degree that he would be unable to continue to flee or to harm anyone. Once a person is in custody and properly searched, then and only then is he/she "obviously not posing any more threat to anybody".
I don't know where you get your impressions from, but members of law enforcement in the US are not legally permitted to be "exercising their collective perceived right to administer some JUSTICE" - the people are protected from such injustice by a little something we like to call the Fourth Amendment.
Note: One of the bad things about reality shows like "Cops" is that is makes armchair experts out of anyone able to use a remote control and find the right channel. |
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ducky
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"refuses to pull over"
that says it all, doesn't matter that he "finally" pulled over, at that point (when he refused) he is a criminal and should be treated like one. |
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Serpico7
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Ok, first of all. In this particular scenario, the chopper reported him getting something out of the glove compartment. Sounds like a gun, don't it? Obviously the man is desperate, who knows what he could do?
Secondly, they need to get him out of that car before he revs up again and endangers more innocent lives. Yelling through a bullhorn takes too much time, it causes all the cops to stop and he could get the upper hand. Its better for all to just rush at him and scare him into not resisting.
Putting hands behind your back doesn't hurt unless you resist. |
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John B
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Somehow I think you'd have to be a cop to answer and understand this but I'll take a shot at it. Seems to me that if someone has refused to pull over they are resisting arrest. If I'm a cop I can think good things about this guy or not so good things. Since maybe one of my buddy's wife is now a widow because my buddy got shot by a guy resisting arrest, then maybe I'll think that the most logical thing for me to assume is that this guy may have a gun and I want all the help I can get disabling this cat before I give him the benefit of the doubt. Once he's cuffed and disarmed, I'll be the most courteous SOB around. Until then, not a good idea to piss me off. But of course I'm not a cop huh? |
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woodyhou
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Don't try to judge the police until you have gone out and done their job. He didn't willingly pull over, his tire was flat from spike strips. Also Dallas police have a strict chase policy that they only pursue violent criminals. So before you armchair QB the situation that you know NOTHING about learn some facts. Bottom line is this, no PERSONS got hurt, suspect arrested. |
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hankelmom
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they had to.Dallas police policy will not even allow a chase without
just reason, like a wanted endangered suspect. and that is how they treated him. I saw the whole thing today on CNN he didn't give up willingly, he wouldn't have stopped if it weren't for the flat tire he got. He put many lives in danger speeding down the highway at 90 +mph. that was my take on it. |
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Master Chief
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The twisting of the limbs could be just them trying to get the hand cuffs on.
If he WAS a little mental then he shouldn't be driving anyway.
And you have no knowledge what kind of guy he could be. What if he got out of the car with a shotgun and blew a couple cops away After they ordered him out of the car like you said.
Cops get killed by taking it easy on the (for lack of a better term) "Enemy."
And finally Anyone who runs from the police SHOULD be handle that rough.
Also I want to draw attention to that running from the cops isn't just against the law, Its dangerous for the person running |
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†Absintheâ€
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Give me an actual recorded/known event of this happening, then we'll talk... |
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Offizier J.E.
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When someone does something like that, they're usually up to something, and they don't know what the guy is going to do, he could have had a gun too.
Also, you never know what's going to happen when someone runs, and then eventually pulls over, that is something that is very suspicous. And it doesnt matter wheather he could go anywhere or not, he can still try to ram the cruisers! Which can damage the police officer's cars, and possibly cause him to cause injury to officers or himself! Also have you heard of adrenaline sir? Apparently you have not. There's comes a time when someone has to take action, and the sooner they got him out of that car to stop him from his extremely dangerous driving the better.
Not to mention that they want to get him out of his car to prevent him from driving away again! If he was being an extremely dangerous driver then they have the right to drag him out like that. Also, it's called adrenaline. Why don't you quit blaming cops for things that you have no experience whatsoever about. |
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to protect and serve
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if what you say did happen in the 1st place than it was not as significant as you say |
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Right Wing.
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You are a friggen IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
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joeanonymous
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I've only had an very small percentage of pursuits that ended with the suspect simply waiting in the car for police to give instructions. 99% of the time they bolt and run as soon as the car stops moving (surrounded by police cars or no) and you need to get your hands on them and control them ASAP. They have already shown non-compliance by not stopping and are likely to continue not to comply and will try to run away if they can't drive away.
The hands up walking backwards thing you are talking about is for high risk take-downs when you stop a car and suspect the occupants are armed. This is just a "regular" style of vehicle stop and does not involve a pursuit. |
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nattym04
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Do you agree with this? |
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bangkokbob
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thats terrible, here in the UK our police would have said, been speeding sir, slow down and mind how you go. unless he was a brazilian electrician in the subway, then our swat team would have put 6 bullets in his head before you could say 'evenin all' |
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Ariana S
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Mr. PhD
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This is the norm and it the very reason I advocate having video tape on everything. (even in your personal car). Cops get into the pursuit and some act as the judge and jury when the stop is ultimately made. |
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Sweetpea
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If you cannot determine why you are being pulled over, women are asked to drive to a well lit area of safety. As long as you maintain legal speed and your car is not dragging a body or something, then I would put my safety first. |
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marko80us
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hmmm---flashback to Rodney King, anyone?? |
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