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Do what? Continue sending mail to my mother's house in the UK when I've been telling them I'm in Norway for 6 months?
My residence status is unclear. The Norwegians say I'm not a Norwegian citizen or resident but take my tax and social security contributions. I only work in Norway. I'm British and visit the UK enough for the Norwegian state to say I don't NEED a residence permit since I'm an EU citizen and return to the UK "regularly". I spent 15 days in the UK in 2008 spread over 4 visits. Until 2007, I would work on some foreign registered boats that sailed to the UK. This futher muddled exactly where I lived though I haven't work in the UK since I did 1 month there in 1999. I have a house and a son in Norway, no house in the UK. Never HAVE had a house in the UK.
I have been applying for work unsuccessfully in the UK ever since I left it which is another reason for me wanting to keep in place everything I would need in the UK if I was able to return there to work.
I keep a UK driving licence since it's unclear if I would have problems driving in the UK with a foreign registered car and driving licence being British with no proof of being a Norwegian resident.
In 2008, I rented a car at Stansted airport and was photographed doing 66mph in a temporary 50mph limit on the A1 at 0426 hrs.
The police in the UK misspelled my middle name and surname then switched their places on some letters and did similar things on others. These letters were sent to my Mum's address in the UK. She forwarded them to me in Norway and they never arrived. Because of that, the case has gone to court.
After 6 months of the police having my email address, phone number and address in Norway, they are still prosecuting this case by mailing letters to my mother in the UK. It makes it impossible for me to handle my side of the case and my Mum is scared to go away in case she misses mail she should forward for me and, as far as I'm concerned, it's not her problem.
I've removed myself from the electoral roll in the UK on Feb 5th and I'm trying to sever contact with the UK as much as I can. The police headquaters switchboard is often answered by an answerphone. If you leave a message, they don't get back to you. The court is now pretty much the same. The last mail forwarded to me in Norway from the UK took 16 days to arrive. You can't contact Royal mail to find out why it took so long.
I'd re-direct my mail using the royal mail's services but don't know, since it's notoriously terrible, if I'll then be accused of dodging mail but if my Mum is ill or goes away, how will I get my mail anyway? I want my Mum to be free from worry over this but doubt I'll get mail re-directed to me using the royal mails service and I can be quite sure my mum's mail will be affected too.
The documents issued by the courts are impossible for someone who lives outside of the UK to complete.
I don't want my Mum to meet any people like the bailiff mentioned in the article at the end of the link below because the UK state refuses to accept I do not live and work in the UK and refuse to contact me where I actually am. I think 6 months is long enough for them to work out I do "probably, by most definitions", live in Norway.
The UK state seems to be turning into a junk mail scamming operation where they send out fixed notices for dropping litter, speeding, parking illegally and it's impossible to contact them if there's something they should fix.
If I returned to the UK and obeyed every law, I'd be unemployable. maybe I should just give up, come back to the UK and be unemployed.
http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/news/4051122.Probe_into_Accrington_pensioner_s_death_after_bailiff_visit_over_speeding_fine/
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Dear "ordinary".
I feel better thanks to your reply. I do TRY and communicate but as much as they can and in writing. I've found some court staff brilliant but some advice from the police would have actually got me arrested in Norway. THANK YOU. It's generous of you to spend your time on this but I really feel very strongly it's about time the British people said enough is enough and had their revolution. I'm amazed at how much they'll put up with when I can't see why they should. Norway is FANTASTIC and I want the same for the British.
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OrdinaryGuy
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Government agencies are obliged to use every reasonable means to contact you. The laws of the UK are founded on the ideas of fairness, with phrases like "every reasonable means", "reasonable effort", "fair use", etc. scattered all through legal documents.
The good news for you is the concept of "reasonable" and "fairness." Is it reasonable for them to harass your Mom? Is that fair? No!
Your best weapon in this fight is communication, communication, communication. All of it IN WRITING. The more letters you sent, the worse they look. (Telephone conversations are not worth the paper they are written on -- it is too easy for the guilty party (govt employee) to say that they never happened.)
Because they are government employees (having a degree of power over other citizens), and because most humans are essentially lazy, it sometimes happens that government employees will behave arrogantly and despicably. This is a good thing for you -- if you go to court show the judge all the letters you wrote, in which you expressed your full desire to comply and to pay any and all obligations -- if only they will get the documentation to you. In your letters, you can provide an address in Norway, that will be fine. That is where you live and you have tons of documentation to prove it. Now, it becomes their responsibility to prove why it is unreasonable for them to contact you there. What, does the Royal Mail no longer travel to Norway???
Your mother should write "Not At This Address" on the letters and put them back into the postbox. No need for a stamp, the Royal Mail could not deliver them (to you) so they must be returned to sender. By law, if they cannot be delivered to the addressee, they must be returned to the sender. For your mother to keep the letters or to attempt delivery of the letters on her own is actually a crime (although it would never, ever be treated as such.) The Royal Mail has a written set of rules that govern how it works -- it is obliged by law to follow those rules to the letter. Because lazy humans work there, things often get sloppy... but when a case goes to court, the judge looks at the written rules. Did the government agency send the papers to your address? No! They sent them to your mother. Is there a law that says that you must ensure that the government has your correct mailing address? Probably yes -- that is usually a condition of having a driver's license. So, you must comply with that by writing to them and telling them that you have moved and your mailing address is: etc.
If the problem continues, your mother can actually contact the police and claim harassment by these agencies. She is not you -- she has nothing to do with the entity called "you." She should not be deemed guilty by association. What if you and she were having a long-standing fight and hadn't spoken in years? They have no right to harass your Mom to get to YOU. Therefore, this is a simple case of harassment and she can turn to the police for protection and remedy. Again, she should write a letter (or you can write the letter AS her) to the sender explaining that she is not you and she does not know where you are or how to contact you, so please stop pestering her. Be polite and nice, but firm.
Just because someone works for the government doesn't mean that they are allowed to break the country's laws -- even in the name of the Queen.
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wowzer9
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ummm, yes...really long. |
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Bear
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I think its fairly clear.
The fact that you claim to live elsewhere is irrelevant. This will not get you out of being prosecuted.
A court case will inevitably follow. If you fail to appear from it the next time you visit the UK you could find yourself getting locked up on warrant, to appear at the next available court.
EDIT - I think its you who are missing the point. You speed........ then expect to be punished. Don't use you living in another country as an excuse!!!!!! |
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Chappers
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Why don't you apply to be a Norwegian citizen then all your links to the UK should be severed. I think you need to decide which country you want to live in and stick to it. |
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