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fine. but what was he doing playing unsupervised near water in the first place? |
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Bear
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The young boy was nowhere to be seen and the pond was the size of a football pitch.
The talk about them not going in because they were not trained is nonsense. I am a police officer and I am not trained in lifesaving like most of my colleagues. Its not a case of being trained or not, but more of a case of doing your best.....yes, as a human being.
I, like all the people on here and the journalist's reporting, were not there. It would be wrong to cast judgement based on a few lines in a newspaper.
As for whether they should have been witnesses... I do not know. |
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I found the whole thing very hard to understand. How could they have just stood there and watched while a child drowned?
Anyone and I mean anyone would have gone into the water to help. Regardless of training etc..
They have to live with their decision now.
My heart goes out to the family. |
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taffie
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Difficult one really, I am not a parent even at my middle age 37 ( so most women think of me as less than human, someone not of the human race who is incapable of answering on such matters) I have been in a couple of situations myself being first aider that I would never of dreamt of when I took my course years ago... dirty, mucky dangerous etc with no one else who was trained to help me and it is scary ....your heart races..you wonder what to do for the best etc .
I have to say with the evidence presented ie we have been told that the boy was no where to be seen when they arrived and the pit was very large... where do you start. It was a quarry before and there could have been all manner of danagerous things under the surface.. and they were told by their control not to enter anyway (they may have faced proceedings against them at work if they had been injured or the situation made worst) ..your mind is racing what do you do ?
I would have waited for some form of back up from other services as well
Why make rules for employees and then ask them to break them when it suits ?
Comments by one MP said that "we should have thrown the rule book away in this case" would he have been so keen to say this if others had died ie/ untrained officers or is he just saying this because it is a unfortunate accident and he wants to shift blame from the goverment who made the rules in the first place ?.......
My question is where were the parents?, if the little girl did not have much water sense as it appears she did not why was she allowed to play here by her parents.....(on the other hand being a child of the seventies I played out all the time on the fields near where I lived so I do not advocate keeping child in on computer games etc... just a little teaching maybe)
We seem to be such a "blame culture" everything is someone's fault...people can no longer have accidents in this cotton wool world. Would we even be discussing this if the media had not brought it into our living rooms ? ... look back 100 years, 70years etc to wars and disease and a child or adult that died would have hardly been discussed.
We seem to live in a world where we feel it is almost unatural for children to die... even in sad accidents |
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podge
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For the price of about three and a half Community Support Officers we could have two real policemen.
They are a false economy. |
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Byte
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all these negative answers .....why dont they all get off their a**es and do something for THIER community . |
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choccy_002
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I agree that community officers should have attended the inquest and given evidence and I agree that it's policing on the cheap. However, reports tonight made it clear - as opposed to the usual tabloid sensationalist headlines - that they did NOT stand by and watch a boy drown. They could see no sign of him, so didn't go in the water. I've done water safety training and one thing that is stressed is that entering the water is only ever done as a last resort - better to find some way of helping the person in trouble out of the water without getting in, too, and risking being drowned. Since the two men couldn't even see the boy, they would have been foolish to go in and try to search in unknown waters. |
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They're just police on the cheap and have proved that many many times over, it's really about time that the REAL police were out doing the job that they're so well paid to do I was really saddened to hear about that little boy and they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves,
Thank you |
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GARTH
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if its true that they stood by and watched that poor child drown then they should be charged with aiding and abetting and jailed for manslaughter or whatever. SHAME ON THEM. |
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elvis_liveonstage
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If you truly are a"real superman" why didn't you dive in after the people then.
The personal judgements made at the time are down to individuals, the official line is not to jump in after them because you are only adding to the casualties.
The PCSO have a hard job with no real power and and unliked and unwanted by the police officers them selves, perhaps those with who criticise should "step up". |
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LEO53
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No person HAS to risk their life to save anothers. Those that do are immune from liability if the outcome is not good. |
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Lisa
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Police are not paid well at all. Some are lucky to make $13 dollars an hour. TMPA and CLET can only do so much. The community needs to pay police more, or expect to get what you pay for.
How can you expect them to take care of you when they can barely take care of their family? |
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butterfliesRfree
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If I KNEW what this was about, I would possibly agree with you............we are not all from your area and have no clue what you mean....... |
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gillm
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perhaps if the mother had been with her children then we wouldn't be discussing this - why was a ten year old boy looking after an eight year old girl on his own.
do we actually know if the pcso didn't get in the water - the public will never know the facts so maybe we shouldn't be so quick to jump on the pcso.
the boys mother however will have to live with the knowledge that had she been there - it wouldn't have happened. |
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Spartan
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to the negative "a holes" here, were you there? no i don't think so, so how can you judge. you re ranting and raving because its in the papers so i guess its got to be true,well get this they spout out more crap than you lot, have a day off and don't believe everything you read. i dont agree with the pcso but to give them this much grief without knowing the truth is nuts |
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joan k
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As I understand it the child was already dead. These people are just cheap labour, the government trying to fool us in to thinking they stop crime, they have no more powers than an ordinary citizen. The question must arise as to why the parents allowed two children near a lake unsupervised. That does not excuse anybody failing to help in such an awful situation. The Police are adept at excusing the behaviour of their employees. |
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999pheebs
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I do not know why they did not attend or how they avoided it but i do not think they deserve to be called guttless.
I feel bad for the CP they have no power to do anything about anything so people think it is ok to disrespect them, especially where i live. |
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they are a complete waste of time.
Rather like new liebour. |
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Ian S
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As they say Police on the cheap. Unfortunately if they had helped they may have lost their job. You must understand they are not there to deal with things they are not trained for. If you know about the real life general public they would have had a lawyer with in hours telling them to take the so called gutless cpos to court. Think about it they may well feel worse than you are angry. It's all red tape and health and safety in their job and remember they are human with feelings and not robots. I forget the details but what were the kids up to. |
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Lucky Man.
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Human nature dictates that we help when we can. These people who could watch a child drown are beneath contempt. They should be put in stocks for us to abuse. |
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Jason
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I have no idea what you are ranting about. |
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Martin B
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Manchester police stopped them from attending the inquest to keep their image. No way would they want these coppers embarrasing them.
And what disgusted me, was the police SUPPORTED the police officers, by saying they were right not to jump in, as they have no training to do so...So be a HERO and save them. They can swim I'm sure? This country has gone down the pan, Mr Brown, you have a task on your hands... |
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Lab Accident
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I really wish I knew what you were talking about. |
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bert
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You said it all my friend. What else do you expect from play coppers ? |
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bruce m
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i certainly wouldn't have put my self in danger, no jobs worth that |
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shitebird
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its the same as murder pure and simple. they should and must be held accountable..
the police will protect and cover it all up nice and neat |
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honda man
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I honestly have no idea what the crap you are talking about. However, most organizations prohibit their employees from giving CPR to people in distress, because if that person dies then the organization itself can be sued. |
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Stephen P
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These spineless individuals will be strutting around Manchester in their little Hitler uniforms today, a young child has died and yet these vermin I wont call them humans as they clearly are not are allowed to hide behind orders and procedures what a pair of gutless slimy scum. This just goes to show the sort of individuals who are now allowed to be called officers of the law. |
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