Police are Burning the U.S. Constitution?

coragryph

Yes. So is the federal govt.

What you are talking about, however, is several different things, some legal and some not. No, the lying is not legal. But that's an inherent problem not just with police but huge sections of society.

It's easier to lie to get what you want than it is to tell the truth. In fact, telling the truth all the time is the most guaranteed way to destroy your life, socially and legally. So, if lying keeps getting rewarded, there is no incentive for honesty.

As far as the rest, an attorney can argue the points you are raising during the hearings and before trial. If you are trying to do this without an attorney, that's probably one reason why it is so difficult. The law is a complex game, and the attorney's know the proper tricks to play the game effectively. It's sad, but that's the way it works.

no-duh yoda

The law as interpreted by the Supreme Court permits law enforcement officers to conduct "Terry" stops (Terry vs Ohio) when they have "reasonable suspicion" that an individual may be engaging in a violation of law. The test of "reasonableness" is one for the courts and is generally specific to the particular event in question. The police will always first attempt to gain permission via a written consent, but the consent is not necessarily needed when evidence is within plain sight. As is with most questions like this, the entire story is not being told. I suspect that you were behaving in a manner considered suspicious, thus giving the officer reasonable suspicion to conduct the Terry stop. It sounds like probable cause was established that you may have committed a crime. I would humbly suggest that you blame the cops less and take a little more responsibility for the outcome...if you were not breaking the law you would not be where you are.

Rob

They can do a plain view search at a traffic stop. If you are acting odd they can detain you and check you for weapons with a pat down.

bro_doogle

and.....?

robert x

You know sometimes pal!.. In these mad bad sad days there are people out there sneaking around with a view to killing lots of Innocent people ! I think that loosing a bit of personal freedom has to be preferable to having another outrageous attack . like 9/11. I think the cops do a very difficult job made worse by the day to day unknown situations which they have to deal with!.

I am sure you would have applauded the cops/FBI / and other forces if they had pulled over and arrested those rat fink terrorist who perpetrated 9/11.. Sadly no one got pulled and the worst day in infamy happened!.

The answer is simple if you haven't done anything wrong and you don't do dumb things,, then you haven't got anything to hide.. best let them do their job.. its better to be safe than sorry!.

fr_chuck

They do not need probable cause to pat down a suspect, they need either officer safety or reasonable suspection.
They are allowed to search areas of the car that was within reach of the driver and passenger normally also without probable cause

And honestly I don't beleiev they were going to electronicly stun you.

Cecil J. Tallywacker

welcome to the real world. the only people who can cry 'foul' when they get picked up any more are the ones who can afford a high-powered lawyer to make sure they go by the book. if u havent noticed, theres the rules they go by, then the rules there are in the book.

MITRE#136

If you think your rights were violated, by all means get yourself an attorney and see what can be done, review the patrol car video from the dash cam.......

DaMatrix

i could tell you. but i cant.

trident257

I hear whining.

John G

Another thing I have noticed is that Police rarely read a suspect their rights.I think that they may not care about the constitution anymore.They should have had to get a search warrant to search your car.

d b

GET A LAWYER.

So you got caught. Now you can shut up, and try to grow up. God Bless you.

kustomflames@verizon.net

Well you got the part of what the police do, down to a science, and as far as "sign the papers under the threat of electric shock you don't say whether you did or not, that's first and foremost, if you did your out of luck pal, should of seen if they went through with their threat and since you don't say you were shocked, it would appear that you signed the papers, not got, now you have to get a civil liberties lawyers involved Good Luck

Coo coo achoo

Unfortunately, the police do not need a warrant to search your car. If they asked permission they were fishing- they didn't have anything concrete to go on.... only suspicions. That still does not qualify for probable cause. If they didn't turn up anything to arrest you for this should not have even gone to court but if they searched anyway and DID find something you're probably not going to win regardless of their lies. I was once asked by a couple cops if they could search my car. They said it was voluntary. I turned it around on them and asked if they saw anything in my vehicle that would indicate that I was some kind of drug runner or illegal weapons dealer. Of coarse they said no and I denied them the search.
A friend of mine was pulled over one time on a suspicion of hitting his wife. While his wife waited in the cop car she heard the officers talking about how they were going to say that her husband DID hit her even though his wife said that he didn't and there were no physical marks to support the cops claims. He eventually beat the charge but it was only after the cost of lawyers and such.
Hang in there, you might get a judge that will find the cops' actions wrong and things could turn out in your favor.

N3WJL

Yes most cops do lie and cheat. The courts are also to blame. I don't see how a DUI checkpoint isn't a random search.

How's this for bad:

I went to court to fight a ticket. I was told I couldn't talk to the judge before the trial even several days before. I go into the courtroom and there is the judge b.s'ing with the cop! Now who is he going to believe? and what did the cops say to him before the trial started?

Cop's are not hear to server and protect, they are here to lie and generate revenue for the town.

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