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Bear
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I would have done the same.
This was completely different to normal armed police methods and practises.
We were in the aftermath of suicide bombings and only the day previous failed attempts at similar bombings.
The police believed thay were surveilling one of the failed bombers (obviously crucial and serious mistakes were made). The officer in charge had to make a decision based on what information/ intelligence they were in possession of.
Sadly the action was based on incorrect info and the male was wrongly suspected of being a terrorist. The commander was not aware of this and acted, believing that he was dealing with a suicide bomber heading for the tube.
The firearms officers will have been clearly instructed on what they had to do. You do not issue a challenge to a suicide bomber..... if you do he detonates the device and kills all those around him. Likewise shooting to stop, as normal at central body mass......he is able to detonate the device, killing all those around him. Head shots at close range are the only definite way of stopping this person. Fail to act and you risk bloodbath on a massive scale. Would you want that on your conscious. You have to put your trust in those in command. They are in possession of more information than you have.
An improvised explosive device can easily be concealed on the person under baggy clothing. It doesnt just have to be a padded coat. The fact that misleading info was leaked after the event was totally wrong.
I think the officer who were on the ground had little option but to do what they were instructed.
It was sad that it turned out to be an innocent person. Clearly mistakes were made. The officers responsible should be held accountable. I dont believe this should include the firearms officers who acted in good faith. The blame lies with the surveillance officer who clearly did not give out accurate information, thet everyone else acted upon.
Edit - The Voice is totally wrong. Trying to shoot at the arm of a moving target running at you with a samurai sword. Let me think about that!!!. We do not target shoot. By that I mean we do not shoot at targets that do not move, having spent 20-30 seconds lining the sight up adjusting stance, breathing etc. Yes we can do that and it is very easy with very close and accurate groupings. That unfortunately is not reality. Time can often be of the essence and you aim for the largest target area, therefore if the target is moving you have a better chance of stopping that person.
And the comment that we "shoot at any sign of a threat" is just ludicrous. |
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dr h lecter
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seems like one of those times theres no real answer.
cop went with the odds - its just a tragedy.
if in the same spot under the conditions described you'd just have to go with the maths - thats what i would have done. |
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gvih2g2
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He didn't have a backpack, puffy jacket or anything else which could have concealed a bomb. He did not run when challenged. He didn't jump the barriers at the station, either. Those were all lies leaked by the police in the hours following the shooting.
He was unlucky enough to live in a block of flats where the police were watching someone totally different. The officer who knew what the suspect looked like had gone to the toilet, and the other officers mistook him for the man they were after.
They were ready to shoot someone - he was just unfortunate enough to be the victim. I don't say that to condemn the officers: the fault lies with the terrorists who had created this air of panic; however, the police made terrible errors that they should not have made, and they WERE at fault in the death of an innocent man. |
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Big Bad Boris Mayor of London
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The Policemen who shot him did so becaue they were told by senior officers that he was a terrorist. Not like in Brazil his home country where they shoot you for nothing |
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eorpach_agus_eireannach
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The second answerer is correct. Senior police officers said he was a terrorist and to take him out. The officers that shot him are not to blame, it is the senior police officers and their intelligence department that lead to his death.
I feel for the family of the Brazilian and for the officers who where doing what they where ordered, believing that the superiors knew what was happening.
Non-lethal means of incapacitation should have been used regardless of whether he was a terrorist or not, because if he were a terrorist the authorities would need information from him, and just in case, as this situation has proven, the intelligence was wrong and it was an innocent man. |
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Cowgirl Joe
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Yeah you are right. There is really no right or wrong answer in a way?? |
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thevoice
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The point is he did not run away as was stated,this was an
attempt at a cover up. In any case to hold a man down and then pump 7, yes 7 bullets into his brain seems to me like overkill or at least panic.The police today are all too ready to shoot first at any suspicion of a threat, the man with the table leg, the lad with a samurai sword near Hull; they should be trained to disarm the culprit by any means at their disposal
but all we hear are excuses"we are not trained marksmen"
well why not? A bullet through the arm of the two with samurai
and table leg would have sufficed, the Brazilian was more complex but someone should have been held to account.
Edit. uk firearms cop no you are wrong! the kid with the samurai was not running at the cops he was standing still muttering some undecipherable rubbish ans waving the sword about. Contrary to eye witness reports the cops said he was moving toward the public. More cover up! |
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MANCHESTER UK
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This poor guy was held down by Police and shot in the head.
I have to ask why, because if he was a terrorist and had a bomb in the rucksack, restraint would have been the answer.
Imagine what would have happened if it was a bomb; the whole carriage would have been blown to Kingdom come, Police Officers too.
Overreaction at the point of contact with the suspect caused the death, not the chase. |
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Peter M
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I am with the cops on this one, tragic accident, but they had less than a few seconds to make a decision. |
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Pelagius
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I read that he didn't run away, he was walking and the officers ran onto the train where the killed him.
He was followed by plain clothes (armed) police. I wonder if a uniformed officer had approached him, the identification mistake would have been corrected and the poor guy would be alive today?
How many of us here carry a bag each day we take the train to work? |
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Rommel
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i would have done the same. the policemen had a whole train load of people to consider. the blame should be placed squarely where it bellongs. at the feet of Muslim extremests, and their suporters,( or am i being racist.) |
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Shambles
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Lol looking at the news on CEEFAX just now and there was a headline Police are to blame for shooting. I mean who else is there to blame they did shoot him. |
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Mr Abba
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I think the officers messed up big time. I feel sorry for the family of that guy who got killed. |
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Rich S
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The Police were doing their job.
If an officer with a gun tells you to STOP you stop. |
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NIGHTOWL
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Can see both sides of this situation which is a terrible tragedy for all concerned.
I feel for his family who have lost someone who was innocent.
I also feel for the police officers who were only acting on orders,can't believe they intended to kill an innocent person. |
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joan k
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It's very sad that an innocent young man was killed, illegal or not. I think that the Officers at the scene had no choice, it was not their fault that they were given the wrong intelligence information. They will have to live with an innocent person's death on their consciences through no fault of their own. It was the lies in the aftermath that the public won't tolerate and quite rightly so. |
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sean w
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he didnt run or have a back pack. thats all mis info and spin. they trailed the guyfrom his flat they didnt stop him getting on a bus. a bus had been blowen up in london on 7/7 if he was such a danger why they let him board that? if they were so scared he was a terrorist then they risk the lifes of everybody on the bus?? the hole thing seems very weird |
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blan
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From what I know about the events I think the police did what they were there to do.
It won't be long before there's an inquest everytime a soldier shoots somebody ! Huh! Too Late ! |
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vanessa p
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The police were right to do what they did. If a cop says stop you stop or take the consequences. |
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stephen l
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Problem is the police in this country look after themselves at ALL times from the top cop to the lowly PC, if it will make the stats look good they will make it up then back each other up at all costs, after all the top cop leaned how to be dishonest as a PC this makes it all the way through the ranks, this shooting is the same only on a larger scale, about time all dishonest police were removed starting at the top moving down to the rather useless PCSO. |
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Aries
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Hm well of course they are now saying this chap didn't run away but the MAIN thing here is that he was here ILLEGALLY. If he'd been in his own country it would never have happened. Back to your thoughts on policing in general I feel so sorry for the police as they always seem to have their hands tied when dealing with terrorists, suspected or otherwise and as for all those "do gooder" solicitors screaming about Human Rights for these suspects - what about the country's population - don't they have a right to a peaceful existence free from terrorists? |
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DanDan der scheiss-hausmann
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The police cannot be blamed.
However he wasn't innocent he was illegally in the UK. Pity we couldn't do it to a few more illegals. |
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Joan el guiri
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That' s right. The Met can kill everyone who looks a wee bit foreign for carrying a backpack, (which he did not...another lie),
Kill all bloody foreigners before they kill you!
Brazilians should boycot London.....or die there!
Do you fools not realise that the fact that Brazil has security problems does not allow our 'institutionally racist' police to kill all people with a darker skin colour than they have.
Perhaps the Brazilian police are as you say. If there were, they would be going out shooting Brits for revenge!
You are just racists! |
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Noodle
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Yes.
They ******-up over and over again and then tried to conceal evidence while Ian Blair lied to the Govt and the general public.
If the dead man had been an old English woman there would be outcry - but the latent xenophobia in so many Brits holds that poor bloke partly responsible for his own totally unnecessary death.
Plod is corrupt - always was and always will be. |
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