A question about abortion?

rangerclaude

Even though others will frown upon this answer......... in the event of incestuous rape, the termination of the pregnancy should be up to the choice of the victim.

For those who say that any abortion is murder, How would you feel if it was you that that had happened to? Would you want to carry full term, knowing that the perpetrator is your own father or brother?(Or another male relative)
(That is just a totally wrong thing to do)

How could anyone do something like that to their own child? I would gladly spend ten minutes kicking the $hit out of that guy for that, and I'm not from Austria.

To me, there is no worse crime then what he did!

Sam

The abortions I personally don't agree with are when the woman knows she's pregnant right at the start, but waits 'til week 20+ to get an abortion

That one is Me!

I honestly believe this question is a mater of opinion. It can be a very touchy subject for some people but I never think they should try to force their views on people (i.e. the person above me)

You will never know what your decision will be untl you are in that position!

robertterwilliger

NOTE: I did not write this. This is just copied from a site that may or may not help you. The whole thing can be summarized as this: it is intrinsically evil to kill

Many people who would generally call themselves "pro-life", nevertheless make an exception in cases of rape.

Pro-abortionists often use rape as a prime example of a justification for abortion. How, they ask, could you force this poor woman to go through with this pregnancy?

Pro-lifers typically reply that while they have great sympathy for a woman who has been so terribly victimized, the rights of the child must also be considered.

But both sides in this debate rely on one key assumption: That abortion helps to ease the trauma of a woman who has been raped, and that women who have been raped want abortions. Pro-abortionists use this as their rallying cry. Pro-lifers explain why other factors are more important.

But is this assumption true? Surprisingly, with all the studies that the government, universities, and big companies are always doing on every conceivable subject, we have only been able to find one small study on this question. Perhaps it is because everyone just assumed they knew the answer.

But in 1979 Dr Sandra Mahkorn, a professional rape counselor, studied 37 women who had become pregnant through rape. (This was apparently all she could find. Pregnancy from rape is, in fact, extremely rare. The small numbers make the study less statistically significant. But we are certainly not going to hope for more rape victims just so we can get more reliable studies!) Of the 37, 4 did not complete the study. Of the remainder, 28 chose to continue their pregnancies, and 5 chose abortion. So of real pregnant rape victims, only 15% chose abortion.

When questioned, most of these women said that they saw abortion as another act of violence. One woman said that she "would suffer more mental anguish from taking the life of the unborn child than carrying the baby to term".

But few saw the question as a conflict between her own needs and the rights of the baby. Rather, most said that the major influence leading her to abortion was pressure from others: parents, boyfriend, etc.

There is a curious thing about rape: People often place a stigma on the victim, as if she was the criminal rather than the rapist. They discuss what she might have done to invite it. Her husband or boyfriend may suddenly not want to touch her anymore. Friends and relatives shy away from her. The victim herself often falls into this line of thinking. Rape victims frequently run home and take a shower or try some other symbolic means of "cleansing themselves". Rape is one of the most un-reported crimes, because the victim so often feels guilty and ashamed.

A few years ago the lawyer for an accused rapist in Florida argued in court that his client should be acquitted because the victim incited him by wearing a short skirt. Another judge went even further, releasing a rapist because he felt that women in his area provoked rape by their clothes and manners. (In the second case, the judge didn't even say that the victim herself somehow provoked the attack, just that women in general encouraged rapists.)

Even if it is true that in some cases a woman "encourages" a rape by dressing provocatively or walking though a bad neighborhood alone at night ... That might mean that she was foolish, but it hardly makes her share in the guilt. Suppose you parked your car and left the keys in the ignition, and someone stole it. People might say that was a foolish thing to do, but I doubt anyone would say that you therefore "deserved" to have your car stolen, or that you are as guilty as the car thief. I cannot imagine someone suggesting that the thief should be released because you "asked for it" by leaving such a nice car so easy to steal. But that is apparently a common response to rape.

And so it seems that the psychological problem faced by a pregnant rape victim is not that this child will "remind" her of the rape. (Like if she wasn't pregnant, she would just forget about it.) Rather, it is that when her pregnancy becomes obvious, she will be forced to "confess" that she is guilty of being raped. (Similarly, the baby is blamed for being conceived by rape. He is not thought of as an innocent baby, but as a "product of rape" -- an ugly blot to be removed.)

Abortion does not solve rape. It simply transforms the victim into a victimizer. Jackie B. had an abortion after a rape. She later said:

"I soon discovered that the aftermath of the abortion continued a long time after the memory of my rape had faded. I felt empty and horrible. Nobody told me about the emptiness and pain I would feel deep within, causing nightmares and deep depressions. They had all told me that after the abortion I would continue on with my life as if nothing had happened. ... I found that though I could forgive the man who raped me, I couldn't forgive myself for having the abortion."

Debbie "N." wrote:

"I still feel that I probably couldn't have loved that child conceived of rape, but there are so many people who would have loved that baby dearly. The man who raped me took a few moments of my life, but I took that innocent baby's entire life."

Debbie's comment starkly shows the actual effect on the women who is aborted to "cure" rape: It shifts the focus from the violence the rapist committed against her, to the violence she committed against the baby. I would never dream of minimizing rape by saying that it only "took a few moments" of the woman's life -- clearly the fear, trauma, and sense of violation lasts much more than a few moments. But Debbie described her own rape that way, because she is now comparing what the rapist did to her, with what she did to this baby.

As one young woman put it, "The solution to rape is not abortion. The solution to rape is stopping rape."

wibrwibr

The question is - can the denial of an abortion be justified? Abortion is a private medical procedure between a doctor and a patient.

bigmikejones

I work in the health care field and there have been births at 24 weeks that survived. I don't think government should regulate abortion, and feel it should be a choice by the person seeking one.

At the same time, I don't agree with whole sale abortion as a means of birth control. The fetus does react from pain, from touch and from the procedure and I totally disagree with partial birth abortions.

Do some research on the net and you will see what I am talking about. I have been working for 30 years in the health care field and have seen it all. YOU have to decide for yourself what is right or wrong.

Rinnay

no when you get an abortion your killing a human life. its not right =[

Lesley S

What do the Fritzl children have to do with abortion?

Max50

Yes it can be justified in cases where the choice is if the mother is going to live or not.

Not because the mother wants to go to a concert.

When the fetus is dead and needs to be removed

Not when the mother is 9 months along is healthy and the baby is healthy.

When the mother is 9 months along and is a minor and got molsted by the step-father gets an abortion than turn back over to the molster again without filing charges.

When the mother is not given all information and allow to consider all the other options.

There needs to be some common sense regulations on abortion.

We regulate all other medical procedures so why should the be any different?

DEBORAH S

i have never had an abortion, but i don't disagree with it in certain situations...obviously if there is something wrong with the baby where it would have no value of life and be in constant pain, in that case i think that abortion could be the kindest option for the child...if someone is in a difficult situation, like has been raped or or in a big break up then i think the choice to have an abortion could be the rectifiable if the person maybe cant go through with a full pregnancy because of work committments so adoption can sometimes not be a practicle options...although i wouldnt choose this...and yes, i have been there...i dont think people should use abortion as just an alternative to birth control, and i have heard that this does happen

ritesh

little_miss.sweety

The big argument for abortion when the woman has been raped is that she doesn't want to have to live with the constant reminder. But there are adoption agencies that will place that child in a loving family with parents who can't have their own child and would LOVE to take care of a child who would not have the best of lives otherwise. Abortion is never the answer

P.S.

Here is a simple argument, but one that will defeat anyone who supports abortion.

1. Is a human fetus a human being, or an alligator, or some other species?
2. Is a human fetus alive in that womb, or is it dead?

Answers: 1. Human. 2. Alive.

Conclusion - abortion is murder.

ellieelvis

it depends on how you look at it 1. do you have a good life and a job to support the child and give her/him a good life 2. r u a 16 year old kid who has just been raped in the park and now your pregnant 3. will u see your rapists eyes in your baby

abortion is wrong if its your fault but not if you were raped and unable to cope !!

White Knight!

According to the best selling book of all time, "NO"!

Bob N

Abortion is murder. No attempt at justification can alter that fact.

Brinlarr

what about them?

always, it ist a baby its a few cells
not murder just like removing a wart

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