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Beau
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Tell your story to the parents at columbine! Schools have rules for a reason, if you break the rules, then you need to suffer the consequences. Sometimes the consequences are harsher for a reason, but they are needed to protect the integrity of the system! |
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cblack6540
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In High School chances are they are under 18. They can be prosecuted for having a gun in thier possession. It is understandable will all the killings happening in schools now a days that a severe punishment is necessary. In one of our local schools a kid wrote a note about a bomb being in the school he threw the note away,, it was found , he was suspended for a year. Lets KEEP our kids SAFE |
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MLaw
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>> So, my question is, should the guys and their families get lawyers and challenge this? There will be a hearing before the school board, but should they take legal action with lawyers? <<
Absolutely yes. School boards are the most incompetently managed government bodies in the US. They routinely violate their state's laws and their own rules. They also collapse like wet toilet paper when challenged by lawyers. A 1 year suspension is a serious matter & may kill their college admission chances. Definitely have legal representation as early as possible and at all stages of the disciplinary process. |
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get a grip
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Given all of the school shootings that have been happening, it's not all that unreasonable. They don't want guns on their property. Even if those kids weren't planning to use them on other students, since you have said that they could be seen and people did know they were there, anyone could have broken into the trucks and stolen them, then used them on students. The safety of the students is paramount. |
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Delfin
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I personally think they should consider themselves lucky, at least they aren't facing criminal charges....yet. In my state, there is zero tolerance for guns on school campus, they'd definately be sitting in jail right now if they were from Texas. |
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gomanyes562
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The planner and disciplinary policy are just guidelines, not legally binding documents.
It does seem a bit outrageous, but the policy is the policy. No guns on school property. Period. |
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mnorth12
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As a long time hunter I can fully believe that what the students did was harmless and had no intent of hurting anyone. But that in no way makes what they did right. You mention the handbook and I assume everyone has access to one. Then so do these students. If they are seniors who work for good grades then I don't see why they would think even a 10 day suspension would be worth the risk. Any way you look at it they were using very poor judgment.
However I do think the punishment exceeds the crime and if I was them I would make an attempt to appeal it any way I could. Best of luck to these two and I hope a happy compromise is made. |
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Daisyhill
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With the amount of school shootings in the U.S. I think the school did right....if someone had got hold of those guns everyone would be asking.."How come they were allowed on school property with guns?" It was naieve of those boys....guns kill...they dont belong in a school. |
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David T
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I, too live in Kansas, and wonder what they were doing hunting Bambi before school in the first place. Unless they are on the basketball team there would be ample time after school to hunt. Face it. They should have thought about this before being so stupid as to take their guns to school with them. If they live in the country, they should have allowed for the time it takes to drive to school so they should have taken their guns back home.
Schools have a zero tolerance police about bringing firearms onto school property, and they knew this before hand. Schools have an obligation to keeping students safe and by parking on school property you are authorizing the school administrators to randomly search your vehicle, to include standing on running bords to look inside to see if there is any contriband.
Whether the punishment was too severe would be up to the school board at an administrative hearing, and although YOU think one year is too long, what about the students who were killed at Columbine. They are dead permanently. |
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Mister J
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Ten days sounds like a punishment that is too light. Most state laws these days limit a PRINCIPAL to suspending a student for no more than "10 days, WITH RECOMMENDATION FOR EXPULSION." Expulsion is an action that can only be done by the superintendent. I think you need to go back and read your handbook again, because I suspect that that is what it actually says.
Bringing a weapon onto school grounds is a SERIOUS OFFENSE. They deserve to have the book thrown at them.
On the other hand, I think they deserve their "day in court" to explain and possibly have their sentence reduced. But no one can make a judgement about that from what you said. You have already formed an opinion, obviated by your by-line ("outrageous punishment.") |
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malter
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Zero tolerance means zero tolerance. Guns should not be brought to school grounds....period. They deserve to be suspended and quite frankly expelled. |
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yaguru
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Come on!!! Use your friggin head.
With all of the school shootings that have been going on, for some friggin MORON to bring a gun on school property deserves a criminal charge resulting in 10-20 years in prison, let alone suspension from school.
They put the guns under their seats???
WTF???? |
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Dominicks Granny
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Yes - your principal can do this - actually it's the law. I found this online at the website below. They might be able to get this altered if they contact the school administration, based on the fact that it is hunting season, the weapons are for hunting, and they were locked in the vehicles, and the safeties were on. It's worth a shot!
The Federal Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 requires expulsion of pupils for possession of weapons at school. Expulsion is to be for a period of not less than one calendar year for any pupil determined to “be in possession of a weapon at school, on school property, or at a school sponsored activity.” Also, the school is required to notify the appropriate state and local law enforcement agencies if a student brings any weapon to school. The chief administrative officer of the school may modify the expulsion requirement in a manner that is consistent with the requirements of federal law. |
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eaksmiley3
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yes
i believe that that is outragous.
but then again, i can see were the officials at the school are coming from.
there should be something about firearms that are "souly used for recreational purposes" in the school rulebook, atleast there is one in ours. |
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davidmi711
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If the planner and disciplinary policy actually states 10 days suspension, 10 days is for a first offense. Since your story is incomplete and biased you have left us to fill in the gaps. Bringing a gun to school is a SERIOUS offense.
The fact that they hid the guns tells me that they KNEW it was wrong. It does not in any way mitigate what they did.
Please provide the name of the school so more information can be found. I have done a pretty in depth search and am not finding any news coverage of this. |
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Barry auh2o
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NO guns means NO GUNS! By their act, they said " Screw you!"
I'd like to hear the school's side if it. . |
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Aunt Doobie
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I would definitely fight this tooth and nail. There has to be rules concerning guns in school but this no tolerance rule is extreme as far as I am concerned. |
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gilgamesh
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It's not ridiculous when you consider the Columbine shootings and the fact that anybody could break those car windows and take those guns out and use them to shoot up your fellow students. If it's against policy, you should have someone bring it before the school board, but I think that they were looking out for the students' best interests here. |
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Dahlias
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Yea it's wrong but...
But the fact is anyone can break into the truck, take the guns, and have a shooting spree. I think the Seniors should have had enough sense to know better than to bring weapons to the school.
On the other hand I do think 1yr is way too much, maybe the principle is trying to make an example out of them... it all depends if they're fighting it, make a public apology and so forth. |
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jackson
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It matters not if they were loaded or not. Presumably there was ammunition somewhere in the vehicle. The fact that they were on seat but still could be seen by climbing up it still "plain view". If the school has a no weapons policy that is written they have issues.There are also the federal policies..... which mandate federal charges.
The parents should get a lawyer and explain a few things to the school board. The school board did as they should but why the 10 days versus a year? Do the politicians want this mucked through court? In light of Columbine and such do they really want national attention? Some sort of deal could be worked out. |
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Charles WE
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They broke the rules, cry baby. Now they have to live with the decision they made to bring their effin' guns to school. I have no sympathy for nitwits like you and your school mates who don't feel rules apply to them. |
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♣ALT
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I just have one comment about some of the people above this post. GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.
The kids should get a lawyer. What happened to the first amendment? |
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cyanne2ak
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Those students need to lawyer up. The school CAN punish them, but can NOT deviate from their school's policy without due cause such as a reasonable belief of danger of a grievous nature, etc. Those kids should lawyer up. The ACLU should be contacted about this. |
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horsegaiter3
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That's retarded! I mean if the kids are good did they really think that they were gonna shoot up the school?? 10 days is so much more reasonable a year is just ridiculous. |
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Uriel S
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Everyone everywhere is very afraid of everyone so yes they can suspend your friends. My condolences to the seniors. |
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Broken Shadow
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school authorities are idiots...that IS outrageous. |
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ringo
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People don't care about big things but the do about small.(guns don't kill people husbands that come home early kill people) |
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