Do you agree with Rand Paul, that children of illegal immigrants should NOT be given automatic US citizenship?

WilliamH10

Actually, the 14th amendment did NOT allow birth citizenship, it was the interpretation by the US Supreme Court which has allowed anchor babies. It was a wrong decision, the 14th amendment was never meant to allow anyone born in this country to be an automatic citizen, only those people here legally within the complete jurisdiction of the US, meaning that at least one parent is a US citizen already or are legally taking steps to become US citizens.

England, France, Ireland, India, Australia, and Germany are some of the countries that have all gone away from Automatic birth citizenship. They require one parent to be a citizen or be a long term resident alien

In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court ruled that a person who

* is born in the United States
* of parents who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of a foreign power
* whose parents have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States
* whose parents are there carrying on business and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity of the foreign power to which they are subject

becomes, at the time of his birth, a citizen of the United States by virtue of the first clause of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. Although any language in Wong Kim Ark that suggests the Court's opinion and rationale could be expanded to include the children of illegal immigrants would be mere dicta as Wong's parents were in the country legally.

Children born to foreign diplomats or, hypothetically, to hostile enemy forces or born on U.S. territory while it is under the control of a foreign power, are not considered subject to U.S. jurisdiction and therefore are not citizens at birth.

The Supreme Court has never explicitly ruled on whether children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents are entitled to birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment, although it has generally been assumed that they are.

But anyone who suggests something so simple as changing the definition back to what it was intended to be originally is deemed a racist.

whale

Cthulhu's Spokesman

Yeah, I think that just having a kid here is no reason to make it a citizen. I personally don't like Rand Paul, but I can agree that something needs to be done about this.

psycmikev

Totally, it would also end the "family wedge" issue that these illegals and their supporters use, as no one then would be US citizens and they could all be sent back together. Born here to legal parents, or through the proper legal channels should be the only path to citizenship.

mnwomen

Yes I do.

Karen

I totally agree.

Issac

From the LA Times,

1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).
(All 10 from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare. See... http://www.cis.org/

Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

The cost of illegal immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was
a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University].

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.
29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

The cost is breaking the State and the country. They get a jackpot when a commit a crime. The illegally get in and now they go an welfare and totally fee health care and education. It is like if you succeed in committing a car-jacking, you can keep the care and we;ll pay for all the Gas, insurance and repairs for you since you now have it.

My wife has two friends. One girl got breast cancer and need 24 chemo treatments. The insurance paid $4000 of the $5000 cost per IV so she had to raise #24 thousand to get the treatment. My other friend's uncle is an illegal from Mexico. Has lung cancer so he comes across teh boarder. He needs 32 treatments at $6.400 per treatment and about $250,000 for the lung recections. Other various procedures resulted in the total bill being over $400,000. He did very well--the government paid 100% and then he went back to Mexico.

It that fair?
Unfortunately this case is a minor example what is really going on.

Ancient Thinker

At the moment, Constitution says NO

Libraryanna

No. You, like so many others, believe the lies. First, you want to PUNISH CHILDREN!!! CHildren who are US citizens. What the heck do you think that says about you, the libertarians, and the tea party????

You also believe in the nonsense of the anchor baby. They still deport people, even if they have a child who is a citizen. So the effect of a kid born in the US doesn't mean anything for 18 years, when they can petition for relatives to come into the country.

I wish you people would understand that undocumented human beings are not the problem you people make them out to be. It's the racists you lead you in this dance and you all just follow along. (Why don't you people rant about undocumenteds from Europe?)

If you want to do something, then encourage your reps to go after the real problems. First, they need to end the drug war. If they made drugs legal and people got them from places trying to decrease their drug use rather than increase it, the drug cartels and a huge amount of crime here and in Mexico would go away. Our people are buying the illegal drugs, so we have a lot of responsibility for conditions in Mexico.

We need to work on eliminating the reasons people risk their lives to work themselves to death to make a better life for themselves and their family. We need more of those kind of people here rather than whiny Americans who can't get a job and blame it on the undocumented people and minorities.

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