In the light of recent terrorist attacks, should all face concealing dress, like burkhas be banned?
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In the light of recent terrorist attacks, should all face concealing dress, like burkhas be banned?
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As these Western Oriental Terrorists (herein after called WOTS) seem to be against our culture, whether it be religion or otherwise, can escape notice, and try to push, THEIR culture onto the freespeaking world, should we not fight back and use EXACTLY the same laws as they use against our women in THEIR countries. The main and obvious being to be able to identify persons. Failure to do so would mean an automatic "opportunity" to visit an open public gallery court appearance and if they are of immigrant status, also the "opportunity" to have an aeroplane flight back to their own country.
We already have a situation whereby people with bad heads do not need to comply with the crash helmet law, (they do if they visit the rest of Europe). Lets explain to these persons, our laws are thus, they are there for a reason, if you do not like them, sod off...
Many many persons of all religions, christians atheists, muslims, are sick of being singled out when extremists get what they want. Additional Details To those who think this is aimed at muslims, IT IS CATEGORICALLY NOT. I have friends who are muslim and they say EXACTLY the same. The original reason for the headdress is not in the European culture and therefore unneccessary and in fact not in the koran or obligatory, (sorry'bout the spelling)
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saltpot66
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Yes, now is the time to tell the PC brigade and all the rest of the do-gooders to creep back into their silly little holes and STOP the wearing of ANY face concealing clothing whether it be burkhas or hoods - or even caps with an over-large peak, and to those that don't like it, the answer is simple - stay at home ! ! ! |
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malibugirl
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Yes they should be banned, but because of the PC brigade, they probably wont. Its madness and it is asking for trouble. |
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Spanglish McWhirter
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Terrorism or not, the unfortunate fact (for people who desire to wear them) is that pretty much *all* of what we term "identity" or "person" or what-have-you is based around FACES!
[edit] I mean I am *against* these face-hiding garments. |
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Rob Roy
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I am sure some Muslim will correct me but when I lived in the Gulf my Arab (Muslim) friends said that what the Prophet basically said was a woman should dress modestly and cover her head. It seems to me all the burkha dress etc is actually a form of oppression for women.
I seem to remember that recently a wanted terrorist fled the country wearing his sisters all enveloping dress and thereby escaped detection. |
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cakeyspig
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The old saying ' When in Rome, do as the Romans' sums up my views on this subject. These people think they can do as they want in the name of religion and I think this is very rude because if we go to a muslim country we are expected to respect the traditions already in place. It almost appears that our opinions don't matter which sickens me to the core but we are supposed to keep quiet and say nothing.
If this situation remains I can see a time when the rest of us will decide we will have had enough and this will lead to violent unrest.
Some people might say that my views are racist but all of you who do, just remember, I am a race too and I am entitled to my opinion as are you. |
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UNCLE BEN
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Yes...as well as here in the US! |
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Johnny B
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Hey this is Britain. We cant tell the naughty terrorists off! We might breach their human rights!! What happened the the Great in Great Britain. Its so frustrating. We need to tighten our laws etc. Immigration is in shambles! Democracy does nothing in this country. If voting changed anything it'd be illegal! |
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Shizzle
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I think they should be banned anyway. This is a British country and people should live by our laws and customs as we do when visiting abroad. What a shambles these attempted bombings were thanks god. |
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mac
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No. There's a reason why our country is better than their country. It's because we value freedom over repression wherever possible. I would prefer the burkha to be discouraged rather than to have it banned.
They should have to remove these garments whenever necessary for identification purposes, driving, entering g'ment buildings etc. |
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Jean-Luc
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Oh yes. Exactly right. I think there should be a mandatory sign displayed at all sea ports, airports and railway stations:
"These are our laws and customs - if you don't like them and don't want to abide by them - F@@K OFF!!!"
It's not much to ask of an uninvited guest to fit in, is it? |
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P T
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jack straw who is a government minister is against it,but they and other foreigners ignore english law and there seems to be nothing the english people can do about it except to vote national front |
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ufo18
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it should be in our country, do as we do, mind you this could apply to hoodies too, you only hide if you have a reason, on the other extreme too cold most of the time to go naked |
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gazzump123
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would you feel happy in a bank if i walked in wearing a motorbike helmet,,,,,,,biking is a religion to some people |
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silly gorbie
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agree. |
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colin h
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Ban it now..... |
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tal
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In the UK for sercurity defernately YES a total ban is needed . They can wear it at home or go back to where they came from. This is the west we have a dress code although anything goes but to diguise themselves to look like a women and meanwhile it can be a male terrorist .....this is unacceptable. |
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alok_krn
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The world should be divided into civilisational blocks. Let those believing in burqas live in one block. Let those believing in bikinis live in one block. And let all other sane people live in the third block. Please allow me to live in the third block. I guess the highest populated would be the the second block. |
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gomanyes562
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The fight against extremists should be against extremists, not against anyone who you think might be connected to them. If you broaden your target from a few thousand terrorists to all the world's 1 billion Muslims, you are going to create trouble. Unless the PARTICULAR individuals involved are harassing you or hurting you in any way, leave them alone. You can't punish them for someone else's actions. |
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Beastie
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Since in this case the attack at Glasgow airport was carried out by fully facially visible men, I don't think this point is relevant to the current case.
Certainly I agree that anything fully concealing the face is detrimental to public security, but the problem with banning it is obvious. Radical Islamic types would be able to portray it as an attack on all Muslims to the more gullible members of the Islamic world, and it wouldn't stop terrorist attacks.
This is, sadly, a very fine line that we are currently treading, and anything that would inflame further terrorist action is not something to be done lightly.
I also have Muslim friends, and to a man they're horrified at what these nutters are doing supposedly in their name.
Unfortunately, it's exactly the same as it was in the Seventies and Eighties with the IRA. Suddenly every Irish person was a suspect in spite of the IRA being a rather small organisation. |
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neil p
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I have to agree with this,
i have just got back from a muslim country (tunisia) the first thing i noticed was that you`d see more women wearing the full burka in east london than i did in tunisia.So surely if they dont need to wear it in a muslim country then why wear it here.
Its wrong to expect to change a country to suit your religion.....if the uk or any country does not measure up to your expectations then dont bother to go and live their or if you are born in the country then move.Religion is a choice!!!!
and that is all religions |
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Scouse
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Yes the only people in this Country who hide their faces are either going to a fancy dress party or are up to no good.
I find the excuse of modesty very hard to accept and suspect that the main reason is for a man to control a woman. I noted that one lady in a television interview admitted that she only wore the face covering when she felt like it. We are told that we must learn to trust these people and include them in society, but how can we do it when their own conduct leads to mistrust and as a consequence exclusion. |
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Korky
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as much as hate to say this, we voted this bunch of crap to represent us ,make our laws, protect us, look out for those who need care etc,, but what have we got, I cannot think of a word that would describe them, or the state they have put England in, as for making or enforcing the type of laws you suggest not a snowball in hells chance,millions abstain from voting at each general election but moan the same as us after each budget we must somehow force the MP'S to listen to the people,then when laws are made they should apply to all If these people because of there believes wont comply the exit door is always open.
live by the sword die by the sword |
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frankturk50
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I dont know where people get the idea that English people abroad adhere to local customs.I live in a Muslim country as do thousands of other immigrants we dont dress in local traditional dress or observe their customs though we try to respect them whilst living to our own standards.Perhaps another good idea according to you would be to stop catholics wearing crucifixes as that smells of the IRA.Laws are different to custom and religion and if you live in another country you have to obey them. |
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danor
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they should be banned, if they dont like it they can always go back to their own country |
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chugga chugga choo choo
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Think not only of the immediate effects of such a ban. Obviously its an imposition on the religious and free will rights of persons, but does it not also have an effect upon costume parties? While that does sound comical, and is intended to be so, it's a point that hasn't been brought up. There are a lot of unseen consequences of such laws or procedures. In Florida, an individual attempted to wear a burkha for their Driver's ID. It was taken to the courts and the courts found because it was for Identification purposes the face must be clearly visible. In my opinion that is very much understandable, but the regulation of one's clothing choices by the state in public sounds very similar to ideas expressed in extremist religious states.
"should we not fight back and use EXACTLY the same laws as they use against our women in THEIR countries"
You can't fight fire with fire. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. If you stoop to such a level you're only as bad as what your attempting to fight against. |
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dels replies
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With reference to the UK incidents this week all the people involved appear to be men who do not wear burkas or veils. What point would the banning be unless we had a lot of disguised female suicide bombers. |
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emma g
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No not at all at no point have any of the people involved hidden behind there burkhas they have all been dressed in western clothing and thats what i find most worrying.
Saying no relegious dress will only incite more racist behaviour as will quesions like yours |
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