What do you think about the rules to allow schools to forbid the full-face veil?

jackie m

If these people come to our country they live by our rules.

jamand

I'm with jackie M - well said!

there is NOTHING in their religion whatsoever that states they have to wear them - All credit to the Dutch for standing up and banning them.

If they don't like our country or rules - clear off

MLaw

Teachers should be able to see the faces of their children.

climba32

not sure what to say about that, but in a guide to taking passport photographs, theres a lady with a headress which is accepted, but someone wearing a cap is not, surley the headress is obscuring the features of a persons face?

Susie D

Our country our rules - the veil is a safety issue in school, as well as confusing and frightening to other students.

Jody W

The koran only states that women should be modest, veils are a cultural thing and set people apart, the whole point of school uniforms is to make everyone equal...

Princess

Difficult one. I'm afraid I agree. I have nothing against any religion but find veil wearing a bit weird. It makes me very uncomfortable talking to someone wearing one and I can't see their face, it must be quite frightening for some children, as an adult I can't understand and it annoys me that only the women do it. Seems a bit submissive to me maybe that's why I don't like it.

g.m

thats the correct approach :::::::: motor cycle crash helmets in shops , no hoodies in certain areas::::all make sense !!! if we went to their country of origin we would not be allowed to do some of the things we take for granted here !!!!! why should they ???

thumberlina

I think it is the best and most sensible decision that could have been made.

afterflakes

they should be outlawed. if they dont like our rules/laws, let them go back to their civilization in the dirt. i know i dont want to see a veil at school, though i do see the ones that do not cover the face, but surround the face. i dont like those either. i should be able to see what is on a childs face, for instance, to see if they are pronouncing words correctly.... would they like me to teach them if all they could see were my eyes and my head covered up with a big black foreboding hood type thing? i dont think so.

Dee Dee

It's not a religious ruling, but a question of health and safety.

D.
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Christina H

If it is a public school supported by government funding as they all are, then that is what the rules are. You want to attend then you have to follow the same rules as everyone else. This is what comes of everyone being equal, get used to it.

TerenceG

They should have gone further and banned them and not just leave it upto the heads of the schools

nicemanvery

When in Rome and rules is rules etc !!

bushmonkeyman

i believe in a secular society so i think all religous items should be banned from state buildings

Weed

I quite agree, after all you are not allowed into some shops, banks etc, with a crash helmet on, yet these people want to wear the veil all the time, sorry but if we go to their country we have to abide by their rules. no matter what our religion is, they should abide by our laws if they want to live here.

Sluugy

Absolutely brilliant.

If British people go to other countries then they have to abide by their rules, i.e take their shoes off and all that. This is out country, so live by our rules. If ya don't like it...................

frosty62

Same rules that apply to wearing a ski mask, I support it this is America

Ollie

I believe a full ban should be brought in.

elaeblue

Law says you have to go to school, the law says you can not wear a veil so that this girl can learn that the veil doesnt make you safer or better thus allowing a young woman a reasonable amount of freedom from a repressive religious edict.
So I think its a good law that will help these women adapt to living in a country with freedom.

jack

as the saying goes when in rome do as the romans do
this is great britain do as the british do

poli_b2001

Im all for it, the girls who wear these hide behind thier religion when it is not actually a religious garment what so ever, they are expected to cover thier heads and the full Veil is taking it a step too far.

These people are now just making a statement, and you seem to see more and more of them around.

If a school says not to wear them then that pupil has to abide. I wasnt allowed to wear football colours as it may insight violence and its pretty much the same story

lil southern girl

i agree - it's no different than kids not being able to wear a halloween mask or weird makeup to school, the staff should be able to see the kids' faces

Doethineb

It seems ludicrous that in a society where the buzz word is "transparency" the wearing of veils was ever tolerated. There are some subjects for which it is vital to see a person's face -- language teaching and singing, for example. I continue to wonder how wearing the veil fitted in to school sports. Was it, inter alia, a way of getting out of unnecessary physical activity?

Tapsy

My son is Catholic and wore a cross to School he was told to remove it or be excluded.
I am so very tired of listening and seeing Muslims cry about there rights.
Do you see the Chinese? Italians? Portuguese? or any other culture new to our Country shouting and forcing their beliefs onto the British. NO!
Muslims need to realise that this is England and we have structure and rules. If they wish to wear the veil - go home or find a Muslim School. Its about time these people learnt to "blend in" and stop being so radical.

jupiteress

anyone wearing a full veil could get into a school and our kids are vulnerable.
As are the adults who did not put the rule in place to begin with.

rainman

The schools themselves are left to take the decision and this is wrong. The government should have made it mandatory to ban the veil in school, not pass along the responsibility to a third party.

Chichou

You guys have summed up all that I might have wanted to say. One little things. Do not get intregued nor frighted by it the sight of it though. Most of the time it hides a rotten corpse within. It is a perfect hypocrycy tool. years ago I heard that a guy used to put on this veil to be able to get safely to his married mistress' flat. Same thing is done vice versa. Wearing this nasty coffin, they can commit many crimes and go unpunished. Repulsive!

SunnyDays

Clothing such as the veil and burkha have no place in the UK and especially no place in schools and the sooner they are all banned from wearing them anywhere in public the better, you only have to see that CCTV footage of the London bomber trying to escape wearing one. If people want to wear certain items of clothing for religious purposes, they should go to wherever their religion and its ways are more socially acceptable.
From a health and safety point of view they should not be allowed, I am sick of reading about all these allowance being suggested for these people, if they don't like the culture they chose to live in, clear off somewhere else. It only seem to tbe the UK that panders to these people, it certianly doesnt happen here in Spain, you do things the spanish way and thats it, and we don't see the Moroccan muslims kicking off about it, they accept their way is not the way of this culture and stay very much in the background.
I am not being racist, I dont give a fig where anyone is from, but it jars me when people chose to live in a country that is so different and then expects that host counrty to bow to them

Human Mineral

It appears to me that many ahve missed the point of asking the question. If we are simply going to say, "Rules are rules" or "When in America, live as an American," then we fail to question why the rule is there. There is nothing illegal about wearing the full-face veil in public by either state or federal legislature. It is an administrative policy by various school boards. The question we should be answering is what are teh origins of this policy and is the policy correct from an educational pedagogy.

I think that it is correct, through possibly insensitive. The wearing of teh full-face veil in American public schools is a diffuclt thing to allow because it can allow for anominity of identity, thereby making it difficult for any teacher to verify that any test taken by a person wearing teh veil is in fact teh person they claim to be. Also, the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the Establishment clause (separation fo Church and State) on numerous occasions with regards to the classroom. The wearing of the veil is a religious and cultural practice. As a religious pratice, it has no place in the American public school. As a cultural practice, it has no palce either. It is not out of disrespect, but out of educational and classroom management necessities.

If a teacher or student wants to wear the veil to school, there are plenty of private schools around the country which may allow such a thing. If the class of people who want to wear these things want to wear them in public school, then they should bring it before the U.S. Supreme Court. Though, the court on numerous occasions has upheld teh school boards decision to prohibit the wearing of certain clothing and certain kinds of speech when they go against the "educational mission" of the school.

No disrespect intended to any religion or culture, but there is a difference betwen exposure to and education of religion and culture, and practicing those two things contrary to the Establishment clause of teh U.S. Constitution.

MANCHESTER UK

Be very careful folks.
Wearing the veil in a school dedicated and wholly staffed by Muslims with no children, other than Muslims, let them do it.

When in a State School where British non-Muslims are present, the school uniform must be worn.

When attending Court as a defendant or witness, no veil to be worn.

When using transport and the full face is required for identification, no veil.

We live in a Democracy but when there is evidence of misuse, by wearing anything that leads to any official being unable to readily identify the person, my view is that nothing should obstruct the responsibilities of that official.

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