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Spawnee
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6980188.stm luckily, it looks like a dead end story (for now). |
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friskygimp
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yes |
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DolceVita is back!!
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Instinctively i am opposed to this level of intrusion - i am not just a subject of the State i am a human being first and foremost, i dont want to be treated like a slave of the State. I am not a criminal, i dont want to be treated like one!!
AND i dont necessarily trust that the motives behind it are purely to reduce crime. I worry that there maybe something more sinister behind this - if they have my DNA what can they do with it?? What if it falls into the wrong hands?? |
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Greg N
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I would refuse.
If they tried to take it by force I'd break some necks. |
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Yes i would refuse. |
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American Dissenter
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This is what people like George Orwell wrote about. |
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Lock R
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Yes, this is big brother to the nth degree, whats next, the thought police? |
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Big Bad Boris Mayor of London
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Dna evdidence can be planted so where would that leave the victim of DNA theft? Dodgy ground a national database of INNOCENT PEOPLE
Phat Baz the spokesman for the uneducated! |
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kryptonitehairpin
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DNA evidence is not enough to prosecute on its own, however, pretty much everyone agrees that it is a very powerful investigative tool, producing strong leads and suspect lists.
As far as I am aware - the DNA matching used by forensic scientist is (without going into too much detail) sort of statistical - they look for specific markers and same sizes fragments, so your DNA would not really be being 'mapped' for specific traits.... yet.
In the future, full DNA mapping will most likely be cheaper and faster and more informed, so DNA (evidence) will be able to provide an extrapolated profile of the subject. Perhaps, build, eye and hair colour skin tone etc.(Its not really that straight forward, but a gene-based photo-fit is not such an outrageous idea)
While I don't agree with the proposed implementation, this technology is going to have increasing importance as time goes on, best to get the public debate started now.
Finally, this bear marked similarities to the debate around biometric passports and ID cards - the same principles apply:
- the benefits of the system do not outweigh the potential threat to individual liberty and privacy by mismanagement of the system.
- the potential benefits, which will most likly be adapted to fit any give political scandal or crisis do not merit the expense.
Personally - I can see the benefits of a DNA based security system - but I have no confidence it would be run safely or securely in the current climate. Your response, however, is a bit extreme. |
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Paul
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I agree with policsguy on the security of the DNA. As we all know this can easily be breached by unscrupulous people.
As regards bar coding people wouldn't it be easier just to micro-chip them like we do with our pets?
On a more serious note I'm quite sure the Nazis in ww2 used to tattoo identification marks on the people they sent to concentration camps.
Keeping a record of every-ones DNA is just the modern way of doing exactly the same as this.
Have we not learnt anything from history? |
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futuretopgun101
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I wont give them my DNA and there is now way they will get it off me with me extracting an awful lot of theirs. |
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Answernian
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I see an issue and I'm on your side. But murder shouldn't ever be an issue resolver. There must be better ways to
stop government DNA banking. Good luck. |
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nimisisprime
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I would refuse but not because i feel its an invasion of privacy, but who the hell knows where that DNA will turn up,,,,
unsolved murders,
suspect less rape cases,
clones
and yea, I know all this sounds like far fetched science fictiony paranoia but hey people used to think that cameras on every street corner meant Big Brother was watching you. now they just call them "traffic cams" |
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mrs r
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in theory i think if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about. but i am split on this one. it is mentioned that they want it to prevent ongoing crime, terrorism etc. well unless i was intent on criminal activities why on earth would they need my dna? i can understand it if it protects us from criminals, but as i have, or have no intentions of getting into criminal activity why do they need mine? also, with a database like this who will man it, and who more importantly will pay for it! ...yes us the taxpayers. |
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jeff
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Against totally thanks |
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peter o
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if people know how much they are look at listern to.ect ect
they would be astonish.the cats out of the bag already.we should have seen this coming years ago.but people were to
busy watch reality tv/crap football ect and took no intrest
in the matter until it was to late like now.it should not got this far.but it has.and its going to take more than us moaning about it.on yahoo |
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de_falla
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I would not give Dna sample voluntarily; it may be that police may use these samples in a legal way today, but what about tomorrow. As I understand it any person arrested have their DNA put into a database. In some cases mere witnesses have had the DNA put on to a database. In both cases you DNA sample stays on the database forever. In my view if the police want store this type of data it only apply to those convicted of crimes against a person, property, and treason. Conviction for speeding, smoking in a public houses and the like should be exempt.
I am a law abiding citizen without any convictions, I have helped the police in the past as a volunteer witness, Not any more, fear of having my DNA on some data bases means I will not enter a police station voluntarily or invite a policeman into my house.
I say to hell with the judge and the government for pressurising the public on this matter. Perhaps the judge could tell us if his DNA is held on a data base, even tells which MPs have there Dna place on a data base and how it came to be there. |
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honourableone
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there are so many things wrong with DNA, and you know that they wouldnt just use it to solve crimes. They would pass a law to create the database for crimes, and then another one to use that database for something else when its too late to stop the database being created, like build a clone army etc.
and cheryl J is a fascist. |
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Firebird
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NO
My DNA is already on the database. |
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Northern Lad
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If it`s going to happen, it will. No matter what is said here.
Me? I`m not bothered either way. Catching the criminals is only half the battle, getting rid of the outdated sentencing is what really matters. Some of the sentences handed down to hard-core criminals in this country is bloody joke! |
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marineboy63
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We are watching you......... |
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telluwat
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just wondering why you would disaprove.
it would help stop crimes and find some criminals who use other countries for their schemes
peons like us does it really matter? |
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Barbinan (the original)
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How would you know if it had been taken? Every person has a blood test at birth or at some other time during their life, it is possible that a dna sample could be taken from this - could already have happened - we wouldnt know!
Seems to me that our society is becoming increasingly both 'big brotherish' and a nanny state! |
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ejb199
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i really dont see what the problem is to be honest - as long as i know i havent commited a serious crime then my dna should never have a need to be flagged on their system. its supposedly to help catch the real criminals and the terrorists coming into the country...
what have you lot opposed got to hide.....??? |
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golden
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they've got mine already but i think any one arrested should have it taken and anyone coming to this country should as part of a visa application anyone who refuses should have it taken and be deported immediately you have a national insurance number,driving licence number,phone number,medical records,mobile phone number ,post code(usually asked for when you purchase)name on electoral roll (if over eighteen)bank or credit cards and good old cctv every where you go what part of your pivacy do you want to protect |
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Jack
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While I can understand his point I would be very against it as I would see it as a step to far.
However, it is going to happen and I don't think there will be anyway to stop it. The British people don't stand up for anything they believe in any more. We saw that with the smoking ban in pubs and clubs. The government now know that they can do anything and we will just take it.
And no, I would not stand by you. You did not stand by me when they introduced the smoking ban in bars and pubs. Now the rest of the country can see what it feels like. |
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Cheryl J
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i completely agree without a doubt. Think of how easy it would be to catch criminals who have committed terrible and awful cromes but cant be caught as they have no DNA on record to compare to that found at the scene.
think of all other purposes it couold be used for, as long as it wasn;t used intrusively or beyond reason.
personally i have thought for a long time that dna should be taken at birth and, if not a little drastic, some sort of ID mark (sounds ridiculous i know but think of all the benefits it would have!) such as a bar code tatooed dicreetly once a child is 10 upwards which will last for life- no ID fraud, no identity crime, it would completely change the outlook of the policing system. |
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wolf
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Yes.
Especially if I was a rapist, child molester, or murderer.
DNA works on EVERYONE, except OJ.
I don't know..... I might be against it. Might not.
Is that any worse than the Democrats raising taxes on us Working People?
That is a REAL Loss of Freedom. |
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Ian UK
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My DNA is already on the database because of what I do for a living. However, even if it wasn't, I wouldn't object, as I have nothing to hide. |
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BomBer
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I will never be caught! I can place you at my crime scene even if you've never been in a 30 mile radius of the place! Once you were just a person who smoked or had a glass of water at a nice cafe! But you didn't think anyone was watching or collecting that cig butt or lip mark on the glass or DNA in a drop of water which is now at the scene of someone else's crime!it is much more than just a Cig butt at a break in or that water you drank in or on someones body. It is much more beautiful than that! As long as I know they don't have my DNA and how to never leave a trace of me, I can throw them off with you guys! Thanks |
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