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Nuff Said
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Good. Hopefully it will make the recruit tougher and less of a pu$$y. |
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amosunknown
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Sounds like you're just not marine material. Marines are trained to surive the worst possible war time conditions imaginable.
That doesnt happen by giving you chocolate bars and shooting at bin ladin pictures. It happens by weeding out those who are not emotionally and physically able to withstand the horrors these men and woman face on a daily basis.
You go through hell in training, so you can survive it in real life. Its supposed to be grueling and torturous, because the real thing will be trying to kill you, not teach you to survive.
It honestly sounds like you're just not cut out for this. |
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badjanssen
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just wait until chineese or iranian army steps foot on american soil...you will thank god that some people are prepared for the brutality of war... |
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usmarcor
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As a former active duty Marine and with a (re) birth at Parris Island I would like to say one thing. USMC boot camp is designed to train potential Marines to fight and survive in war.
During a deployment, an individual will come across many forms of stress related to their situation. By being able to deal with the stress factors an individual increases their chances for survival and their ability to digest both mentally and emotionally what is happening in their lives.
It is a DI's role to prepare for them for this. It is their job to stress them and casue emotional and mental stress. I believe this include physical stress also. By preparing that young Marine to deal with the physical side and to maintain composure and to keep their head about them is only a positive thing. Does getting hit in the gut with an elbow really cause that much damage? But if that recruit learns to keep his composure, that could save his life when he gets hurt in the field. |
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andycapp
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Well it is tough, however that is why the US is the best prepared most ready to fight force in the world. The REAL problem is pansies like you who sign up to be a tough guy and then find your not so tough after all. Now some of the abuse is out of hand and that stuff should be curtailed. The amount of pantywaist boys coming out of the corps is disappointing. |
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squidly leu
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Like everywhere in life there is a few arseholes that need a good slap up side the head,and if that takes a young punk and helps him transform into a fighting team player....slap away. |
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only p
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So what. You are in the military. You are going to defend this country. Do you think the people you fight are going to "be nice" or fight fair. A soldier should be tough and not whine about an elbow to the stomach. |
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dukefenton
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Physical abuse simply for the sake of physical abuse is not acceptable. Other forms of 'abuse' may actually have a constructive purpose. I think telling them the recruit died is actually an interesting psychological screening opportunity.
Put it this way: Do you honestly think the enemy is going to be nicer? This is training for war, not a summer camp. |
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producer_vortex
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Every thing, and I mean every thing that the DI does is aimed at
keeping YOU alive in a combat situation. Boot camp is not meant
to boost your moral, IT IS MEANT TO KEEP YOU ALIVE!
MERRY CHRISTMAS and have a nice day.
Thank you very much, while you're up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Top B
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Let's be real. Abuse is officially not tolerated but...
Just what the hell is a young Marine going to do when he gets to the war and the enemy isn't fighting fair? When the enemy is using children to carry IED's? When the terrorists are firing rifles from behind women? When the terrorists don't follow the rules of the Geneva Convention and Marines get court marshalled for it? Is this young Marine going to call for a "Training time out," or hold up a "Stress Card" or call the Inspector General to cry that it's not fair?????? NO! The DI's know that our Marines need to be mentally tough or they're dead.
Fairness is an illusion, reality is a killer if you are not prepared for it. This is not the boy scouts; everyone doesn't get a trophy just because they showed up to the game and tried real hard.
Grow the hell up. Talk to a Vietnam Vet, a Korean War Vet, or a WWII Vet while we still have them.
My Grandfather (US Army WWII Veteran) called your type of whiner a "panty waste."
Don't forget Marine bootcamp is a "one time" right of passage. If a Marine gets out and decides to join the Navy, Army, Air Force, or NG, that individual doesn't go to "Basic Training" again. But any other servicemember who joins the Marines goes to bootcamp. |
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The Naughty Scotsman
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Prior to the 70s, it was a common sight to see DIs strike and/or beat the crap out of a recruit. Apparently a lot has changed since then. |
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joevette
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I was not there but here is my view. I was in the military and went through boot camp before the "kinder gentler military and the don't ask don't tell military. I was an E-5 when Clinton changed these things and the recruits that came after those changes did not handle tough situations or taking orders as well. When I got to my first duty station the ability to get people to do what they were supposed to do was very good because of things like blanket parties and pink bellies by peers tend to get the message across. I think that some DI may go overboard but some intimidation is necessary.
BTW it is sad that they fight for the freedom of people like Ajax that sit here and put them down. I hope one day you will understand that the very freedom in the US that we enjoy and in fact much of the freedom throughout the world was given to you by men and women that are far more honorable and caring than you. BTW officers for the most part are collage grads so you saying they are unintelligent is totally wrong. |
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justind_000
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Of course it makes for a better infantryman. You don't think being an infantryman is serving cake to the enemies do you? The enemy will do far worse than smack you around. |
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special_edd_yay
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Would you rather he wipes your a.s.s and serves you breakfest in bed? If someone did that to you in the streets before you had any training you would probably blow up, without thinking clearly and hope to win a fight, now you know how to focus that anger, think about the consequences of your actions before acting on them, or am I wrong? HOAAHHHH |
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turkey
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what is your deal? Did you go to PI? |
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db79300
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Evidently, there are extremes to both sides of this issue. I was in Marine Corps boot camp in 1968. It was true that DIs did occasionally beat recruits. It was always against regulations but unless there was an officer present (which was not often) DIs did not follow this rule.
From what I saw, the recruits getting beaten often did not learn from the first experience and were struck again and again. Those who could learn, did so without physical brutality. Also I question the motives of an abusive DI. An abusive DI is no different than an abusive parent or an abusive spouse. It really is not about the perceived offense or out of love, it is about poor self control, poor tolerance/patience, substance abuse and mental illness.
Marines do need to maintain their status as the best military force in the country. Physical demands, training and esprit di corps are, were and always will be what make the Marine Corps unique. |
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guicho79
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Why didn't you ask your DI? I mean, you were there. Maybe warm milk, some cookies, and fresh warm clothes right out the dryer would make a better fighting man. But then again I wouldn't know. I had this thing about joining the Marines when I was in high school. So I asked around, decided I didn't like what I learned about it, boot camp was something I really didn't wanna do, no matter how much money or college help. So guess what I did: didn't sign up. It's your choice all the way. And brutality is too big of a word. |
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Rick
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DI's have been to where your heading and don't want whiners backing the team up. Just thank God your not in Navy SEAL bootcamp on Coronado. You would already have been kicked out. Imagine you going through the POW training. You don't know anything. What a pup. |
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Nice Guy
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If you think that incident was brutality.You never would have made it through when I was there.Did you make it/ |
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mahree
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DI hitting a recruit in the GUT and hiting your rifle so it hits you in the face is not allowed nowadays...but my question is was the recruit who was actually hit bothered by it or just you?
Repeatedly throwing a kevlar over the fence...character building exercise, doesn't hurt anyone and the recruit learns perservence
Telling you a fellow recruit has died when he hasn't...no it's not a morale booster....just a way to teach to to perform your duties under duress or when your mind wants to be on other things.
But Boot Camp wasn't designed to boost your morale....it's intention is to break you down as individuals and train you how to be a marine as a TEAM....remember the log drills? Designed to teach you to pull your own weight so that the whole squad can lift the log.....Boot camp isn't designed to stroke your ego....
You'll have a tough military career if all you do is complain everytime things aren't hunky-dory. |
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Gilla
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Sounds like you are whining to me. Have you been downrange yet?
I think you should look at the whole picture.
Your reaction to all these things is a positive things. You are going to face worse hardship beyond having to constantly retrieve a Kevlar over a fence. Building a wall to all that bull crap will make you better to cope for what's in store.
Your time now should be within your mind and how to process and get over all these things.
Maybe that marine should have been quicker so that his rifle wouldn't have hit his face.
Perhaps the DI telling you your battle buddy had died was him trying to tell you that while he's gone someone would have to take his place in the fight.
Look, this will all prepare you for the future.
Stay strong! Your strength instead of your whining might become infectious and save a marine one day. |
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devildog_3025
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who cares its the marines not the air force i got my *** kick every day when i was in boot camp the marines are the hardest and the best we don't need p*ssies in our corps and they really don't hit you that hard just enough to wake you up and the recruits can always go to the senior DI and report it if they feel they were abused |
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Stephen S
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simple anything you face you will facein the field... |
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JB
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You think the enemy would be kinder? If that's what it takes then that's what it takes. It isn't all sunsine and puppy gods. |
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doesn't make for better Marines. Legally they can't do any of that stuff but we ALL know they do |
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beenthere68
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Was there in 1968, PLT 1073 MCRD San Diego. I saw(and felt) a lot more than an elbow in the stomach. At first I thought it was sadistic, but after I learned how to cope and understand the reasons they had to physically get your attention, I was ok. I saw at least 8 people drop out of the training because of the methods and when I got a taste of combat I realized I wouldn't want any one of those guys sharing a hole with me. They probably lived a lot longer after getting kicked out of Boot Camp than they ever would have in combat. I went to war alongside Marines who knew how to fight and forget about pain. |
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togrosky
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I just have to comment on this shit. I can see most of the people here
never or if they were or are Marines Have not suffered the Kind of abuse
I did in 1972, 73 when because I could not do test right because of
lack of an education I did poor on text. I needed to go and ask the
DI for permission so he told me to stand at ease and took a steep
and Kick me in the Balls putting me to my knees then saying go Pvt.
Then a few days later putting into a one day motivation and the Pvt.
in front of me got a 5 gallon bucket of Moiling water throne on him
that burnt all the skin off his back Meany more things I don't need to talk about now.
These actions are not about making Marines it's about having control
and being able to abuse Pvt's. at will I wish I could beat the shit out of my DI
that abused me and no way in hell would I ever trust them behind me with a M16.
enough said. All the shit about making them ready for war is bull. It's about being
a abuser and Having what you think is a good reason.
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cpl
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I WAS AT P.I IN THE LATE 60'S, BEATINGS WERE COMMON,ANYBODY EVER HEARD OF THE AMMONIA LOCKER? I HAVE BEEN SHOT TWICE. I HAVE NEVER FIGURED OUT HOW GETTING MY ASS BEAT IN BOOT CAMP HELPED ME FIGHT ANY BETTER! YOU CAN TRAIN MEN TO FIGHT WITHOUT BEATING THE HELL OUT OF THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF MY DRILL INSTRUCTORS COULD KICK MY ASS TODAY. I THINK NOT! |
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