Army recruiters in public school are wrong.?

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The military is a career that many people choose who can't afford or get into a college. Myself included, this is a good option for some people to get on track. While I don't condone all recuitors tactics...I still think the military should be represented as a career option in the school in some aspect.

If the military can't have recruitors in the high schools then we need to do away with college recruitment, career counselors, and then just let the kids figure out it all out on their own.

seemynewname

if you see something wrong with defending your country and recruiting to do it maybe you would be better off somewhere else ( the constitution DEMANDS that the government forms a military force to protect it's citizens - got any better ideas then put them forth )

and note the word PUBLIC the goverment FUNDS those schools - if you don't like it send your kids to private schools

ievi1

Well no, these army recruiters are just as right to be there as the college reps. They have more of a right since America is giving tou a fee education, the least you could do is allow their armies representatives to be within the general vicinity of you.

strike_eagle29

YOUR RANT IS SENSELESS AND POINTLESS.
WOULD YOU RATHER THESE KIDS BE ON THE STREET DOING DRUGS OR COMMITTING CRIME.
AT LEAST THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING THEY WANT. THEY ARE PROTECTING YOUR RIGHT TO TALK CRAP.

delyanks

Are you serious? You have no appreciation for this country. Those men and women who are in JROTC and may join the service later on and those serving now and did serve before protect your rights, your house, your money, your belongings, and most important your life. The military also offers those who aren't educated enough or just can't afford it with an ability to get a trade in any field they may please and they get paid for it. Engineers that come out of the military are highly sought after and get paid much more than those who go to college. They are risking their life to make a better life for themselves while serving their country. That deserves the utmost respect from every Citizen of the United States whether you believe in war or not. So they should show off their colors by wearing their uniform so people know what they do and remember how important they are to this country. You should thank everyone you see in uniform because they are the reason you have what you have today and are able to even type this message.

alberto g

I don't think so, if the Army is wrong then the other companies that come to recruit are also wrong. and are they? Thanks to our Armed Forces you and I enjoy our freedom today. Thank you, US Armed Forces for your sacrificed and good work.

ur a Dee Dee Dee

They are informing the kids of an opportunity that they can choose, because people like YOU give them the wrong idea of the military! Not all jobs in the military contribute to killing. You can be a doctor (in a hospital, then when you get out they can actually be a civilian doctor and make a 6 figure income! do you make that much?) or a dentist (again, helping people) work in financing (they make sure we all get paid correctly and learn about banking and have a desk job) nurse/radiology tech/anything medical (refer to doctor), instructor (for anything from teaching classes at tech school to giving general briefings) and many many more.

It's not brainwashing. Being part of the military is not just about killing people. It's about keeping people like you and your family and your friends safe and letting you keep your freedom.

The college part, that is up to the individual. Yes, we get money for college, but the military is not just going to give everyone a diploma. You have to do the work. So what's your point there? A lot of people don't want to do school again after high school. In or out of the military.

Regardless of whether war is necessary or not, it's going to happen and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about that. Get over it and deal

true you need to be 21 to drink (in the US) and 17 to be in the military, but there is NO age limit on when you can be a parent and be responsible for another human life. (BTW- some people think abortion is killing and we get told about that and can do it as a pre-teen)

Rich B

Your original question was answered, apparently you failed to read the responses.
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Edit: I was going to add to this but you won't pay attention to anything that doesn't match your elitist attitude. You sound spoiled as well as selfish in your views. You aren't old enough to understand the concepts I mentioned earlier, before you deleted your original question so I won't waste my time on it further. I hope you mature enough to understand where your thinking went wrong. Good luck.

DiamondDave

You talk of brainwashing.. yet it seems that you have been brainwashed by the radical left

LadySable

Army recruiters have always been in schools.
We are not always at war.
Without a military, how do we defend our country?

Your statement:
"I my self am an anti-war activist , war is so like centuries ago but really it is unnecessary as a whole"

How is war unnecessary? Do you honestly believe that you can solve all problems diplomatically and if so, how is this done with other countries that refuse to talk? Can you come to an agreement with those that live only to kill you?

Get real activist! War gave you the freedom to participate in your anti-war activitism as well as the freedom to disrespect those that have died to give you those freedoms. Do you think that freedom is free?

special_edd_yay

I have seen some long and very worthy responses to your uneducated rant. So I will say only this. As you sit there chewing up the 1st amendment like a cheap candy bar, Soldiers have and continue to fight for right to do so. So enjoy that freedom, nancy girl, and on veterans day take a ride by a cemetery and place some flags on the graves of fallen Soldiers. At least you can say "thank you" for your right to be and anti-war activist (ps, I have seen the face of the enemy and of the innocent.......have you?)

topcatjre

I agree with diesel. There is a lot of peer pressure in school. **** grades. what about drugs and crime in school. i was hooked on both real bad when i was in school. I am not a SGT in the Army and if it weren't for the Recruiters in school i would most likely be in prison. so don't talk **** about something you know nothing about?

devilduck74

First, The recruiters have always been in schools since inception of schools. That is nothing new. You say you are in middle school. Those JROTC kids, are doing what they feel it right. Like you being a anti-war activist. Though I detest it. I respect it because that is your right as an American.

I believe your facts are a little wrong though. Yes, soldiers have been known to kill innocent civilians. Such is war. But, those same civilians are the ones tomorrow that are planting IDE's and shooting at soldiers.

Your concept of going to college in the Army is wrong too. The option is there yes but 90% of the soldiers chose not to use it. Not because they cant. it is because they are doing soldier things like protecting America...

Maybe instead of scoffing at the JROTC you should recognize those kids are molding themselves into leaders. Not necessarily soldiers. I was in the ROTC in High school. But elected to go into the Us Navy.

War is necessary it always will be. Would you have preferred we did nothing after 9/11..let the terrorists know we were weak. So, they do it again. Maybe this time they blow up themselves in your shopping mall. etc etc.

The recruiters are doing their job recruit. Ultimately it the the person they are talking to that makes the decision to fight for freedom.

Thanks

EDIT: I reviewed you point very carefully... I do not agree. And as you can see above I told you so.
But, this is an arguement that no one who disagrees with you will win as you have "thumbs down" everyone that is not on your side so who is being the close minded person?????

Tony

Have you talked to the recruiter personally. Did you mention killing or did they? I myself are against killing another human being. The reality though is that war is a part of human nature and has been part of mankinds history and hopefully not the future! My family came here as imigrants and i for one appreciate what i have in regards to what the United States has provided for us. The very nature that provides you the freedom of speech and opinion and the voice to do so is fraught with dihonorable killings of innocent and not so innocent lives. I do not agree with all the policies our government provides but that is our freedom to think and act as provided by the Constitution of the United States. The recruiters are paid by our taxes and our taxes pay the local government to provide "public" schools. It is your decision as to attend public or private schools.

My question to you is have you lived in a third world country where there is no socialized medicine, money is an idea, food is even harder to come by? Where as a youth you are "required" to do military service. You think these countries preach that love one another and the United States is a loving country? The minority tyranny these countries have are more vicious than you can imagine.

I honor your opinion. Do the right thing though and never personally attack the ones who join the military. Say thank you to the brave young women and men who provide you your freedom.

Philip L

The fact you can ask that question is a tribute to those that chose to wear a uniform. If you were in Germany in the 1940's you would have been sent to a concentration camp for being an anti-war or pacifist. If we followed your philosphy we would be living under that system or worse.
We need an armed force for the same reason we need a Police Department becuase just as there are criminal individuals there are also criminal nations.
The Armed forces do not kill innocents. Killing someone who is "innocent" is a war crime. I was in the first Gulf War and at no time was I instructed, implied, or allowed to take the life or cause bodily harm to an individual or group who were not activley fighting US forces. When we captured an enemy we gave them food and water and if injured the best care we were capable of giving. It was no better or no worse than we would have provided our own wounded.
Civilians we provided the same care and more. We provided protection to the Shiite civilians from being rounded up and killed by Saddam's Republican guards. However, the UN had other plans and we abandoned them to Saddam's mercy. (You know what that meant!)
But that is neither here no there. If the majority of the people in this nation choose not to defend it then this nation and it's freedoms deserves not to live.

LuvMySailor

Colleges 'recruit' in public schools, ROP/Vocational Training facilities reach out to students, and other post-public school institutions all reach out to kids in public schools, so I see nothing wrong with the armed forces appearing in public schools to talk about the military as an option for education and a career.

The Army, and other branches of the military, are not about 'killing' and do not promote that as being honorable. It is a way for people to jumpstart their careers and college education and, because colleges can be very selective at times, those who don't initially get accepted into the college of their choice have the option of ganing an education through the military if they choose to do so.

striderknight2000

I dont think it matters, I joined cause i had nothing better to do. I knew this after two years into highschool. No recruiter came to me and harassed me. But if you not gonna allow them into schools, it only makes sense not to allow college recruiters and other type of recruiters into the school system. I also dont agree with some of the tactics that some recruiters use.

If it bothers you that much, present your case to some of the people they recruit and go after. If your aguement is strong enough and makes sense they will wake up.

I my self was in and totally disagreed with the current war. None the less the military did do me good. It wasnt for me thats why I am out, being a civilian is much better. I had alot of good times and just as many bad times. With any job you have to deal with that.

Another thing Freedom is not givin, Freedom is just that Free every human is by there right free. So stop playing that card people, cause I will say what I want and when I want regardless of the consiquences. The only reason I dont is my respect for my fellow human beings. But no one seems to beleive in respecting there fellow human beings anymore

trigunmarksman

I am against the Iraq war but the JROTC is a respected organization and its presence is beneficial. I was in the Jrotc, and it is hardly biased, never does it encourage you to join the military but it teaches you. Education is important and the fact that it is taught by people who have been there makes it all the more sweeter.

puckgoalie

Learn to kill at 18? How about younger for those who hunt?!? I've recruited people who had the means and smarts to go, but don't. They wanted to do something other than more school. Lying to them about getting a college degree? Who's responsible getting the education, the military or the individual? It's the INDIVIDUAL, not the military. We give them means, they still have to make the effort. You don't say how many get their college degrees after their service is up. In FY 2005 the average amount being spent by military/former military using the Montgomery GI Bill is over $22 million PER STATE. So please tell me, who's getting an education?

JROTC is a great organization, it gives kids leadership skills and a sense of pride in themselves. Most kids who "don't make the grade" won't pass the ASVAB, so they can't join. We are like the colleges and trade schools, we provide another options for students.

So you can be closed minded, go right ahead, thats your freedom. Not everyone in the Army is a "killer", been in 14 years, haven't killed a single soul. I know how to defend myself in several different ways.

Lloyd of London

No. My thinking is the stronger military is a big deterrent to others. At the high school level students be left alone unless they what to opp in. At collage no problem.

skichris041506

First of all, you have to volunteer to go into the JROTC program in school...they don't just put you there. Second, your so-called 10% of soldiers who get a degree is BS. Why would the Army spend so much money on programs such as CONAP, TA, and even award college credits based on the training you recieve, to just give 10% of soldiers a degree? It's all about the person. Not the Army. YOU are the domestic terrorist myself and all other soldiers in every branch of the armed services protect. So the next time you go out with your communist friends to go exercise the very amendment we protect, remember that you are the example of what we have done. Have you ever looked at the jobs the Army offers? These aren't entry level jobs. How do you know they were innocent? Did you see who they were? No. We all have the right to say what we want. I'm just upset that people want to bad mouth something they've never even seen. By all means, please reply.

Yak Rider

Let me guess, I'll bet your all for "freedom of choice" when it comes to abortion, right?

CPT Jack

You are misinformed. I was in JROTC for my final three years in high school. Not once was I encouraged to join any branch of the military. Not once was I subjected to brainwashing. Furthermore, the recruiters that visit the school are not affiliated with JROTC or the ROTC Cadet Command, except that they are military NCOs.

Killing innocent people isn't honorable and not one level-headed person in the military will agree that it is.

Allowing the recruiters to visit schools is no different than letting recruiters from any other profession visit. No one forces students to enlist.

Your comments are rather ignorant and egotistical. I have no problem with you being an anti-war activist. I do take issue with you spouting your ignorant agenda in public forum such as this.

mcspic63

you are entitled to what in my opinion is a truly stupid ,immature,egotistic and crappy opinion
you can thank me now for the right for your opinion,since I and countless others have served and fought for it.
I would have a few more negative comments about you,
but you are not worth it.

chickpea

I don't think it's wrong for kids to do JROTC or whatever, that's their decision to do something with their lives that means something to them. If they don't like it, they can change their schedule and drop it. No one is telling them they have to (or even that they can for that matter) sign a contract. I don't think that distribution of information is wrong, either, however, I saw a recruiter at my HS graduation and I thought that was unnecessary. I think that they have a right to be there, as do you and if nobody is harassing you about it, why do they pose such a problem for you? I mean, are these kids pressuring you to join JROTC or the military? I don't think so, so what's your problem, do you hate the fact that they let black kids "invade" your school too? No recruiter should ever tell a kid "it's the only way, you have to do this" and I've talked to a lot of recruiters who never said anything like that to me. And it's not the killing people that's honorable, it's defending your land, your home, from people who are trying to kill you and your family, that's what's honorable. That's what gets me. Every day men and women are dying to protect your freedoms and all you can say is you hate them and they are invading your space. Grow up and support the people who are dying so that you can b!tch on the internet.

pedohunter1488

And I find the planned parenthood people, PETA folks and liberals in general an affront to me, remove them if you remove the ROTC folks.

U.S.M.C. Poolee

No, recruiters in schools are what keeps this country defended. Go take your hippie ideals back to the commune.

A Marine Corps Poolee

pvpd73127

You are obviously a spoiled and selfish girl who thinks of no one but herself. If you don't have what it takes to join the military, then get out of the way and let someone who does talk to the recruiters. They're not "invading" your school; they're just doing their job. Did you ever stop to think that soldiers fought & died for your right to speak freely and spout off such nonsense? Probably not. And as for your opinion that it's plain to see why other countries hate us, why don't you try living in those other countries for a while? In some of them, you'd be in jail for expressing an opinion like this publicly. You're not just anti-war, you're anti-military, and that's very sad.

bgbadwolf27

my guess is your in a state operated public school so recruiters can come and go as they please....if you want to make a point then start trying to recruit people to go into the ministry and say your a "recruiter" for god...that'll get their goat

Al B

Perhaps the biggest objection I have to recruiting on campus is that recent studies show recruiters use deception as well as facts for recruitment practices and there is no one there to confront them about the facts. If we have an emergency - Pearl Harbor, for example, there is no need to recruit since so many want to join the service. If we are in a mess like now, the fact that students are recruited means either that we are building a standing army by recruiting - against the constitution - or we are lying to those students in order to get them into a reserve unit in order to send them to war as a member of the active army. In either case, we become something other than the country our forfathers meant us to be!!

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