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CalKnight
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If you check though, it was the Democrats that tied the hands of the military. It was Lyndon Johnson who tried to fight a "limited war". It may have been Ford who pulled out, but Democrats put us in there in the first place and it was Democrats mostly who demonstrated against the war.
The facts are the US was winning, Democrats and socialists were stirring up trouble against the war, and Ford was only giving them what they wanted. If you are making parallels between the war in Iraq and Viet Nam, there may be some similarities.
In Viet Nam, the Chinese were basically at war with us through a proxy nation. In Iraq, it could be said we are now fighting a war with Iran and Syria through proxy fighters and militias.
The difference is, in Iraq we were taking a blood thirsty thug, who WAS working on developing WMDs, out of power. Who did have chemical and biological weapons, some have been found, and some have been moved to Syria.
Whether it was a Republican that pulled us out of Viet Nam is irrelevant today. Ford has passed on. Blaming the Republicans for losing the Viet Nam war is not constructive today except to show the world you seem to have a hatred for Republicans.
If you have a concern about us losing in Iraq, then blame the Democrats who are again making this a political war instead of a war to stabilize a democracy in the heart of the Islamic totalitarian homeland. It's the Democrats today that seem to hate those who are willing to risk their lives in a foreign country, so that we don't have to worry so much about having another terrorist attack in our own homeland. It is the Democrats who are calling for a time table for withdrawal, whether we are winning or not. |
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bush
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you *****, democrats were the ones that started the vietnam war 30 years ago and i was there at that time. |
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winemkr
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A democratically controlled congress refused to fund the war any further, a war that they escalated during the Johnson administration.
The democrats are attempting to repeat history as we speak. |
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who cares?...I was there,it was 30 years ago and its old news...nobody here now had a say back then...and Kennedy and Johnson got us in there anyway.... |
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PRC SD
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Do Democrats know the war was escalated under a Democrat president (Johnson) and started by a Democrat (Kennedy)? Do Democrats know that it was the Republican congress that passed the Civil Rights Act and that libs like Al Gore's father voted against it?
Thanks Dems. |
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wolf
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The way I remember it was that the Democrats stopped our funding.
(I hope you did really serve. I wonder?????)
THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION OF YOURS THAT I'M GOING TO ANSWER.
I DON'T TRUST YOU. |
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iraq51
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And do Democrats know that it was escalated to over 500,000 troops sent to Vietnam by 2 different Democratic Presidents....JFK & LBJ. Maybe it was the initials...... |
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Lucas S
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Bickering back and forth about democrats and republicans gets us nowhere. |
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Magneto
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It was a democratic president that lost the viet nam war way before the republican got the troops out,in fact ,neither president should take the blame because the real culprit was the democratic controled congress who pressured both Johnson and Nixon to get out of Viet Nam |
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h h
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Wow this statement is so completely false I cant understand how you think its even postable.
Nixon and Later Gerald Ford had to clean up 10 years of mismanagement, and failed policies brought about by John Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson both of whom were from the democratic party.
When Nixon took office in 1969 the operations within Vietnam were so completely messed up by the former administration that the only choice was to just pull out.
JFK, and later LBJ were under the assumption that going to war in a half-@ss manner was possible. They coined the term "limited warfare."
Like Harry Truman another democratic president thought in Korea they believed that they could send in military forces and place restrictions on how they fought, where they fought, what objectives they could take ect ect even though these restrictions were contrary to the recommenations of the military.
Your statement is totally false. |
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Philip L
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Actually your history is flawed. Congress CUT OFF the money promised in the agreement between South Vietnam prior to the US pulling out ground forces. Part of the Paris Peace accords between the US and North Vietnam is that the United States would bomb the North Vietnamese if the sent regular troops into the south. Well the broke the agreement and when Nixon then Ford wished to send air support congress(Democrats) cut-off all funds.
Lastly, it was Walter Cronkite in 1968 that announced on National TV that the war in Vietnam was lost. WHo was president? Why Lyndon Baines Johnson (Democrat) both houses of congress were democratic. Moral of the story:
Democrat=failure. |
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stygianwolfe
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yes,and it was started by a democrat president,and was set by rules of engagement by kennedy,or the korean conflict in that manner,which actually pushed the communist back into china,and was told to move back to the 38th parralel by a democrat president,letting the enemy move back onto lost ground.Or maybe that when we pulled out of vietnam it was due to a democrat congress and senate whom chose to defund any remaining aid to south vietnam(sounds familiar?) so whats your point?I'm sure the thousands of dead south vietnamese wish they could post a thanks to the congress and senate from 1974,at least ted kennedys still there,like he was then |
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amulek1978
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Yes but it was also ended by a Republican president. Republicans ended all the wars that the Democrats got us involved in. Those wars were WW 1 WW 2, Korea, Vietnam, and other wars. So if it were not for the democrats some 200,000 + American soliders would still be alive. THANKS DEMOCRATS FOR KILLING OUR TROOPS!!! |
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SantaBud
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WHAT is your point?
One thing is certain about our handling of Viet Nam......there was enough blame & ill advised choices made by BOTH political parties!!
But blaming Gerald Ford for losing the war in Nam is like blaming Henry Ford for the thousands of Americans slaughtered on our highways every year! |
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briang731/ bvincent
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My. aren't you the distorted historian ! Dipstick, if you recall, Gerald Ford was simply following through with Nixon's election promise. Richard Nixon was elected on the promise that he would end the war in Vietnam, and by 1970 he had already told the Marines to stand down with any offensive measures against the N.Vietnamese. |
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Richard S
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What kind of pressures was he under? More specifically, how many politicians had their hands stuck in trying to run a war while at the same time using it for whatever political gains they could? History repeats -- the only way to stop it is for us to learn from those mistakes. Politicians cannot successfully run a war; that's up to the military. |
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jack y
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Yes you are right but the Democrats started it and kept it going all the time till the country couldn't stand it any longer so they voted them out and the republicans got us out as fast as they could! The country demanded it and they did it, Just the opposite of what is happening to the war in Iraq! Get ready to accept the blame for running! |
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jim h
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If you will just check the facts you will find it was a democrat who put us their, another democrat who by not letting our soldiers fight to win got us in so deep that we couldn't win , then a republican who got us out. I don't agree with the way he got us out but it was democrats who created the mess he had to deal with. |
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supressdesires
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You're wrong in your statement. Eisenhower sent the first troops in the form of advisors to Vietnam in the fifties prior to that we supplied the French forces and provided them with air support all under Eisenhower. Kennedy sent more advisors and then Johnson sent ground troops. Nixon was in office and began the drawdown of troops in 68 and we turned Vietnam over to the Vietnamese in 72.
We did still provide air support but at a much lower scale than in prior years. Ford was in office when Vietnam fell in 75 due to the lack of funding by the Democratic controlled House and Senate. I might add that we had promised Vietnam that we would continue to fund them and our politicians lied, as usual. Also to be remembered is that Kissinger told North Vietnam that if they waited until we had drawn our troops out of Vietnam we'd have No problem with turning our heads to the war.
Guess that their is just too many people to blame for the way that war was fought and ended.
Yes I was there in 67-68 as a Marine Grunt!! |
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Kerr-azy
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Do liberals know they are all idiots? |
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Carpe diem
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Yeah right, they were winning the whole time. Ford did it....LOL |
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bent_nail
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Do I expect you to be able to find your @ss with either hand?...nope |
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W W D
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Oh, please. I don't need a CNN clip being of that age. The major ground forces had been out of the country for quite some time under the Vietnamization program of the Nixon administration, and Giap had failed once before in a "phase III" push against ARVN when they had materiel. He succeeded that time because Congress (very Democratic at the time, by the way) cut off all funding, and the South Vietnamese ran out of things to fight with. |
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tom l
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QUOTE
"A democratically controlled congress refused to fund the war any further, a war that they escalated during the Johnson administration.
The democrats are attempting to repeat history as we speak."
We elected a Replublican president (Nixion)
to end Vietnam, exactlly the same as we have elected a Democratic congress to end this one. |
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cai
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Well i didn't know(im not republican) but Bush is dumb. Why is no one in his family serving in Iraq. He's so for this stupid, pointless war why don't he join it and see how it feels. He doesn't regard the lives of these soldiers or their loved ones. Oh I'm sorry im off topic, my point is just that pres. Bush is stupid and ignorant like most republicans. Bye!!!!!!!!! |
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tlee
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Who cares The US bit of more than it could chew.same as The US is doing now. |
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