Does anyone have any news on the Fallujah Napalm cover up?

Snowy

For every genuine picture or blog coming out of Iraq, there are a hundred either mocked up or used out of context.

Unless you saw it with your own eyes its best not to jump to conclusions as modern photgraphic techniques can make anything beliveable.

About two years ago a mainstream British newspaper carried a front page set of photgraphs of British Soldiers abusing Iraqis in the back of a truck.

There was uproar worldwide and people were killed in the reprisal riots.

What many of us, who actually know what they are looking at, noticed however were some minor discrepancies in the equipment the "soldiers" were carrying. For instance the SA80 rifles the guys were holding were not the current issue model, and neither did they have the correct serial numbers. To the untrained eye an SA80 mk1 looks like an SA80 mk2, but there are subtle differences.

Anyhow, after people got killed as a result of the article, and relations between the Brits and the locals in Basra took a downturn, a group of idiots in the UK were caught, arrested and then admitted to faking the photgraphs in a warehouse in England in order to both sell them for money and to protest the war. Even the lorry in question was traced and had never been outside the UK. None of the people in the photos were soldiers, or Iraqis and all of the gear had been sourced from surplus shops and the rifles were de-activated junk from gulf war one.

The newspaper editor was forced to resign, but his actions in publishing the photos as genuine had cost lives. People had died as a result.

Also to back up previous comments, there are no incendiary weapons which burn the body yet leave the clothes, also napalm and white phos are two different things.

Automation Wizard

I'm sure there are a lot of countries that would love to have weak minded, anti-American people come to live with them. You might want to immigrate to North Korea or Iran.

Had I been calling the shots in Fallugah, we would have forced evacuation of all willing to leave without arms (and fingerprinted and id'd them all) and then leveled the city to the ground with bombers. I think they got off easy.

I think you summed up your own argument when you asked "Does anyone know of any credible reporter who has compiled a report?". You do not, yet you post this trash.

Stop being America's enemy. I could understand if you said that you saw reports and asked if anybody credible had made any. I can't understand your assumption that the US military personal are using chemical weapons. Do you not understand that weak-minded people like YOU are the biggest weapon that is being used against us?

joeblack605

Everything is fine.....all swell its been covered up !! Get back in line and obey...move on do as your told on FOX NEWS ....Everything is peachy

cmdrbnd007

Dude, drinking too much of their koolaide.

olderandwiser

Good Lord! Napalm would burn off the clothing and the skin too. Have you not seen the pictures from Nam? I think this is another rumor that has no basis in fact. Grow up and learn before you put something like this into the universe! In today's media frenzy NO WAY would that get by.
they tell you what you want to know and what you don't want to know either. Don't believe everything you read. Propaganda is always rife.

wicked jester

NO actually we called in our brothers who live on the moon and used a special flesh burning death ray.
You are such a moron. Instead of accusing those of us who have been there of war crimes and inhumane acts why don't you take a look at what the insurgents have done to all people (doesn't mater what country you are from) they could care less about ANY life. And those who stayed in Fallajh should have left they were given the opportunity.

thejokker

Falluja was a horrible battle for both the soldiers and Marines on the ground. The town was evacuated, but a number of civilians decided to stay for one reason or another (btw, if the Marines told me to leave town because they were going to attack i would leave).

You mention "there has been a cover up and clean up since..." i assume you have some sort of news article to show this is a fact and not your opinion?

you want credible reports of the fighting in the city. here ill give you a link.

jonmorritt

There is no known chemical which burns the body, but leaves clothing intact.

Haven't seen the pictures either that you claim to have seen.

oldhippypaul

Having , as a medic, seen the results of all types of weapons. I know of nothing that can burn up a body and leave it's clothing intact. Be it Jellied Gasoline, White Phosphorus or foo gas. Maybe you are thinking of spontaneous human combustion. I have no doubt that flame weapons have been used in Iraq. But they do not have the effect you describe.

BEEFKAKE

show me where u saw this photos please

curiousgeorge

It's germ warfare---combined with insects called firebugs.
Make sure you include that with your next ramblings..

trumpetwcmd

in the fullness of time, probalbly when Blair and Bush are writhing in hell for their crimes, all the awful actions of this war will come to light and Britain and her allies can hang their heads in shame.

driveastick

Again, form someone who was in Iraq, the Soldiers and Marines on the ground and in the air did what had to be done. If you stay at home in your comfy living room, watching super liberal and biased propaganda on the news, i guess you would see things that way. Until you get out and experience war, keep your uninformaed and ignorant opinions to yourself.

netjr

Has the United States even denied using napalm in Fallujah? I would expect they might have. No one has said the US forces have not killed or injured civilians. Its unfortunate for sure; but I'll challenge you to find another military on this planet that has done as much to avoid such a tragedy as ours? I'll bet you can't.

Mistakes are made in war; no doubt. When one side wants to politicize these mistakes for their electoral gains like the liberals are trying to now in America I find it truly pathetic.

MikeGolf

Then somebody assumed that you were a fool - and was right.
There is no weapon in existence that is hot enough to burn a human body beyond recognition but not harm the clothing (which is harder to burn than clothing).

There have been no credible reporters who have compiled reports because the credible reporters will not be willing to sacrifice their credibility by broadcasting such utter BS.

bilskine

The US military uses white phosphorus (Willy Pete) in many ways which are unacceptable to the majority of the world (and many of us in American military). I do not doubt it has been used to take out people in the current battles.

Thanks for the links.

Roadrunner58-79

NO!! Because ther was none, weenie.

erudite

You know it happened and I know it happened but the USA will continue to cover it up. I'll find a link and get back with you.

namsaev

You seem inclined to root out any possible misconduct by US forces. Are you as concerned about those 'insurgents' indiscriminate usage of explosives?

You mentioned white phosphorous usage. I can tell you WP burns everything. And I have a friend that was in the Fallujah area that November and he never mentioned CW or napalm. In fact you are the first I have heard mention the possibility of CW. I wonder where those sites you mentioned came up with that stuff.

Why don't you go there and investigate the whole thing yourself? That way you would know about the credibility issue.

llltazslleyeslloflltrullblulll

You must be talking about the pictures from the mass graves that were found in Iraq. It is pretty pathetic that people like you talk such BS and don't even know what you are talking about. Napalm would burn the clothing. There were pictures from the mass graves in Iraq where residents had to actually look at the clothing or items still with the bodies, to try to determine whether or not they were relatives that were missing from Saddam and Chemical Ali's crimes against Iraqi civilians(mustard, nerve gases). Yeah the next thing you are gonna try to tell me that Bush was behind the Trade center, Pentagon, and Pennsylvania incidents. Before you spout off, how would you like to be in that same situation when you don't know who the enemy is because they all look the same. Tell me those two soldiers that were missing beheaded themselves too. Go back and roll another one. Make it blunt size this time because you are out of your mind.

chuckleslovesjesus

saw some myself but not all, and yes it was terrible.

vim

Credible reporter?

Oh, and how long have you been working for Al-jezeera??

You sound like a good case of propoganda for the enemy. Yep, al-jazeera would want you as a reporter, for spreading silly stuff like this.

Even so...

I wish you well..

Jesse

First, you are full of sh*t. If such a thing happened, the anti-US press would be all over it. Our own press takes leaks from our spy agencies and blows the cover on covert activities that are in place now to fight terrorism. If such a thing as this were happening, you would be able to read about it in the New York Times. Second, I wish we would be a lot harder on the insurgents. Maybe the thing we should have done in the invasion was to bomb the place to smithereens and let Allah sort out who was right and who was wrong. Oh, I forgot, as the world superpower we have to balance the fine line between keeping the peace and abusing that power. I sure hope my son doesn't have to die saving your a**.

oveningskor

Jesse, (answerer above)

I am sure you mean well and want to answer the questions and be patriotic, but OPEN your eyes.

This administration threw these kids under the bus and don't give a crap about them.

One thing, being patriotic and support the troops is completely different than being blind and stupid. Have some common sense and criticism

Grandma Susie

I find it amazing that you can go all teary-eyed over this "alleged" crime, but not a whisper over the Americans who jumped to their deaths and the others who burned that could not jump from the WTC on 911, and the two little soliders who were tortured and beheaded this week. I guess that's not as important in your view. They hate us! They hated us before the war! Doesn't matter if we never went over there or if we stay and hand-feed them for 20 years, they hate us. They think they are working their way into Paradise if they kill us. People like you keep their morale up. If they came over here and you jumped up and said I'm with you they'd cut your head off too. They don't like liberals either!

Rich B

They shoulda napalmed the whole country,and Iran too.Except for the oil fieds.

msianmania

another conspiracy theory???

NONAME

so what's to coverup...you talk about napalm as if it's some big secret. napalm has been used at least since wwII. we used tons of it in nam. yes...it's nasty stuff. and Moggy i think a lot of weapons are unacceptable. that's why they call it hell. we can get rid of all our "modern weapons"...how's that? but you know what...i always thought getting split in two by a battle axe was inhumane too. Why do you people choose to believe that we intentionally inflict pain and death on innocent people,,,women and children. it just isn't true. i can't assure you that no one ever has, but i can assure that fewer people in the military would do such things than are in civilian life committing outrageous acts of cruelty. Soldiers kill, they do not murder. They are disciplined and they know war and they are repulsed by it in ways that those who've never experienced it can't imagine. so get your chickenshit asses off your moral highhorses.
P.S. just to support what others have told you: I've carried and used white phosphurous grenades before. The primary reason i carried them was that i was a field radio operator and i carried one all the time in the event i was about to be captured in order to destroy the radio. wp burns white hot and will melt metal into a blob. it would disintegrate cloth. if it splatters on your skin it will continue burning as long as there is anything to burn unless you put it under water. clothing could never remain in tact. nor would it with napalm. pour a can of gasoline on a pile of clothes and light it...how much clothing would be left when the fire burns out? something fishy with this story.
As far as i know (at least when i was in the military) wp was never used to inflict injury. it was used as a marker round for mortars and artillery and for high intensity destructive purposes such as i described...not intentionally on people. It IS possible if someone were in a target area for artillery and a marker round was fired that part of their body could be splattered with wp and it might not have splattered on their clothing, just their face and arms for example ...they could be horribly burned....but why would they have been in the target area? were they not told to leave? in any event it wouldn't have been intentional...it would be the high explosive rounds to follow that would be intentional.

helen

what we have to realise is this is war. its not nice, people are scared (terrified) and they do things they wouldnt normally do. However much they say there will be a war without hurting people a war like that does not exsit. A LIFE LIKE THAT DOES NOT EXIST. Look at september the 11th. look at the london bombings. there will always be bad people in everything and you cannot blame a whole country for a few peoples bad doing. Do you remember as a child your mother telling you not to speak to strangers. I couldnt exactly tell my children that one as i know that there are more nicer strangers in this world than there are horrible ones. I let my children know of the dangers and hope that my faith keeps them safe. Watching someones suffering is appauling to me. i realize that some people can do it with ease. All we can do is bring our children up to be good and kind and true and hope that the world changes somewhere along the line. Soz. i havent even tried to answer your question.

Thisisnotmyrealname

Just for the record, napalm is not generally considered to be a chemical weapon. It's an incendiary, and would therefore also burn clothing. Incendiaries are legal, under the Geneva Convention.
I'd need to at least see the pictures, to comment any further.

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