Even if we "Win" the war in Iraq, don't we still lose?

Best-Of-Enemies

This was was lost before it started.

We lost money, lives, a media with a pulse and any semblance of popularity or support we had around the world.

Thanks, right-wingers and conservative media that never raised any questions about the lies!

The people who planned this war were either simpletons or knew they would create more enemies and went ahead anyway.

JackO07

You summed it up quite well. ungrateful bunch of coconuts over there..the ones that wear white sheets and make their women wear bee-keeper outfits...how dare they?

chappye7

You just answered the Democrats problem, good research pas it on to Reid.

Stony

We already did win in Iraq. Bush declared "mission accomplished" four years ago.

We're just mopping up now.

pianojoe

We already won the war. The Iraqi military fell in less than three months and we toppled their leader soon after. What's happening now is our troupes are being needlessly slaughtered and maimed by being caught in the middle of a civil and religious battle that is none of our business. Unfortunately, we have a pig-headed and incompetent president.

arctic_whirlwind

You present very valid points. At this moment, the best we can hope to do is stabilize the country well enough so that the government functions on some level.

What I am surprised at is the number of individuals willing to blow themselves up. There seems to no shortage of suicide bombers.

sugar honey ice tea

In wars...everyone is a loser...
loser of lives and everything really

Drake

All we did in Afghanistan in the 80's was dump money and weapons. that never works and never makes friends. Just ask the Europeans when they arm certain groups in africa.

E-vangelist

Yes, all of the Iraqi women who can now get an education and vote will be anti-US. All of the relatives of the Kurds that Hussein killed will be anti - US. You're so right, none of the people oppressed by the dictatorship called the Hussein regime will be grateful. I guess no other government will learn what happens when you harbor terrorists or thumb your nose at the UN when it says to allow inspections and they don't. You're right. We lose.

ben

There is no way to actually win. It's not in black & white. No referee comes out, holds the arm of the victor up and declares them as the winner. Either way, the troops lost won't come back, and lives will have been taken away.

You're right, we still lose.

The Sunnis and the Shiites are only making it harder to finish whatever our plan is at this point.

ShootingStar

"Saddamâ€™s goal â€¦ is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraqâ€™s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."â€”Madeline Albright, 1998.

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983"â€”National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998.

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement."â€”Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002.

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."â€”Bill Clinton in 1998.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."â€”Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002.

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."â€”Clintonâ€™s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003.

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people."â€”Tom Daschle in 1998.

"Saddam Husseinâ€™s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."â€”John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."â€”John F. Kerry, Oct 2002.

pinkyismygirlfriendniluvhur

probly right

if you send soldiers and bombs someplace, it can be difficult to make them like you

MenifeeManiac

You hit the nail right on the head!

We are in a no-win situation.

Thus, it is time to take our losses, bring our service people back home, and move on to reducing the national debt...

KERMIT M

Yep... for me this is the classic episode of Monty Hall...We had Saddam on stage and then of course W wanted to see what was the behind curtain #2 and guess what...that's right Bloody Chaos was behind curtain #2.....

Sometimes a dictator in hand is better than total and massive murder, chaos, and other assorted mayhem.

Al_ide

Well, firstly, why should Iraq be beholden to the US, a nation who invaded them an occupied the country without sufficient numbers to maintain the borders and internal law & order? Add to that, they removed all government institutions with no clear plan to replace them, and bombed the sh*t out of the countries amenities(sewage/water/electricity/roads all f*cked up). They have troops whose language they can't understand driving tanks up and down their streets.
Even if you take the the mid point between the extreme estimates of civilian casualties, it would gave taken Saddam almost a hundred years t notch up that body count. You have brought them nothing but death and insecurity, thanks to the warlord - I mean President - Bush.

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