Honestly, what do you think of our Troops when they do things like this?

Yemaya

What do I think? I think our future generations will have to pay for this war and the crimes of it as we sink into the weak and divided nation we are about to become.
Killing civilians is not collateral damage it's is a travesty and it is barbaric. I thought our military was the best in the world, I thought military force took strategy not just shoot anything that moves we are not in a jungle we in a freaking desert.
The "soldiers" on the tape were proud and bragging of killing "people" they called them, not the enemy, not terrorists but "people" because that is exactly what they are doing.
thanks for sharing and I hate war too it is unbridled rage and reflects our inability to reason; the very thing that separates us from animals.

I am sorry about some of the replies that you are getting for this question, people want to believe so bad that this war is just. I believe that war sometimes is necessary, but not this one, not when there is no clear and defined enemy only some concept of terrorism and where is Osama bin Laden? The people defending this war just need to lie to themselves so they can sleep at night.

Oh and btw to the poster that said that sometimes we have to enter wars like in the case of Vietnam and WWII only in WWII did we have a clear and defined enemy...Vietnam was none of our business, and she should read a book or two.

Politically Wrong

No one hates war more than those that fight them.

War is not pretty nor is it choreographed and scripted. When someone is out to kill you, you fight back...sorry sometimes the wrong person or object gets in the way..That is what happens in war.
War is sometimes defined as: Long periods of boredom, interrupted my minutes of shear fear and chaos.

The "Enjoyment" you mention is a reaction to the tremendous stress of battle
Saying from the 60s: IF YOU WEREN"T THERE......SHUT THE F*** UP !!!!! Words to live by, Little Girl.
It is not being done on purpose or carelessly as you insinuate. As a Combat Veteran, I take offence of your statements and opinions

Lupin IV

They have to shoot some guy who doesn't stop. THere are 100 cases to this one where they didn't stop some guy (with deadly force if need be) and got blown up by a suicide bomber.

It is a mess and is a problem and real answer need to come about.

Adopt

Honesty, I think you should look from the point of view of a soldier. These are both older and younger men who's minds are tainted by war. Sure, if you have epinephrine rushing through you you're going to go along with it, but if you think they actually wanted to kill civilians, it's you who has the problem.

Stop assuming everything is going to be the way you want it to be, the truth is these are real people in real places facing real danger, for you.

Some of the points you made can be used against you. These people that we're fighting, one day they'll be happily sitting at a desk in an office doing paperwork, and the next, they strap a bomb on their back, and run at some of our soldiers, now you tell me, how do they know they aren't terrorists. And did you not read one of the end credits: "No unarmed people were hurt in the making of this film" The people we're battling use their home court to their advantage, you can't act like we're fighting an honest group of people. They've already used their kids against us. I honestly don't care what your opinion of war is, nor do I wish to share mine any more then I already have, but I hope you know this by now, we NEED war.

JAY

Thank goodness you havent experienced being in battle.fighting is'nt easy when 110 degrees and sand storms are normal and iraqis are hideing with tank weapons in their hands. You can thank your lucky stars, but if our troops are ordered home early. you might be a part of deadly hell here at home in the free countries, that our reserves are trying to protect thank goodness they dont see whats going on here.

Ray K

Did it ever occur to you that those soldiers had received communication that this was a suicide bomber, or some other intel? Your name is austingirl. Texas? You're a Texas girl jumping to conclusions like that? The video also says that no unarmed civilians were hurt. Did that mean nothing to you?

necktie7777

You have no right to judge, make an opinion or anything about our men our there dying. You have no clue about the situation, I forgot YouTube is a great news source. You should see whats really going on out there. People like you make me sick. Our troops need support not bashing, they did not ask for this. If you can do better get you fat *** and you deploy over seas, When you over there maybe then youll shut you trap.

Curtis B

I don't know what to think, because all youtube shows is Marines firing at something. The video wasn't even good enough to see if they were shooting at the car. All I can say is, Marines pride themselves on discipline, including fire discipline and force continuum (that is the decision process for the use of deadly vs. nonlethal force). If they are shooting at someone, and there is no evidence to the contrary, I will take our servicemen's side every time.

linkinparkfan181

At the end of the video it says "No unarmed civilians were killed during the shooting" and they were taking sniper fire from what the troop said near the end. Yeah, sure, its not pretty, but its war, what else do you expect? Also YOU weren't there, yeah, maybe your boyfriend was, but you weren't, do you know what kind of pressures troops face? They also have adapted to firing back at anything that fires at them.

Brad B

They were obviosuly taking sniper fire before the video started (as per the end audio) They were returning fire on the position.
You ask questions from a civilian-not-being-shot-at, not-in-a-war-zone persepctive. You have to ask them from a soldiers perspective. First is why would this car being driving into a firefight. How do you not know that that is a car bomb?
The children in the vehicle is irrelevant as was demostrated when two insurgents blew up a car that contained children. The children in the back made the securuty personnel more lax as they checked the vehicle. The insurgent often choose the the point of attack, we are largely a reactionary force due to the nature of insurgency. Why are you shifting the blame for all the collateral damage on the Us forces that try and secure the area? Why not the enemy forces that chose to attack in the city streets?

I've met with the Iraqis personally. We delivered fuel and water, provided security for vilalges, built schools and hostpitals. That is how we win the hearts and minds, not to mention offereing the first tastes of freedom.
Hey, I hate war too. But I know that it is a reality, a necesary evil. I choose to serve to try and preserve our nation and I fight to end the conflict ASAP - but the end comes through victory - not withdrawal.
They were somewhat over zealous it seemed, but you have no clue the adrenaline that hits when someone is trying to kill you.
Its easy to sit back in total safety and over analyze, please don't make that mistake.

Malvon L

Well, you can't really make a judgement like that unless you are in that situation. Our troops should have never been put into Iraq in the first place.This is another Vietnam, no matter how you look at it.Troops put into combat without a plan for victory. You really don't know who your enemy is from one day to the next. I really feel sorry for the troops that are there and the hell they are in.
Be careful what you ask for, Bush said , "BRING IT ON", and that is just what has happened.For a sitting president to say something like that while we are in a war, was just the worst thing that he could have said for our troops safety.What a MORON.

mattzcoz

No sane person likes war. But, what's the background on this video? There's a bunch of soldiers firing at some people and cars. Who says those were "civilians"? I'm not questioning that bad stuff, evil stuff, happens. It's just there's nothing here to back up what you're saying.

Groovy

Actually, that was quite disturbing.

I don't care what happened over there. Taking enjoyment of killing others makes us just as bad as them. Yeah, they are trained to kill. I didn't know they were trained to enjoy it. But, I am certain those were just a few rogues and are not the whole military.

candy g

watched it,same as I watched them swinging the heads of the British and US personal after they had beheaded them....

I rest my case...........you can always go over and help the poor old Iraqis you know BUT you make damm sure you dont run to any of the forces out there for any help when it goes **** up will you.............

CHECKERS what on earth do you think ANY of the military are trained to do..the difference is that this generation is putting into practice WHAT they are all trained to do.........and there are enough crazies here in the USA they will do just fine.

Bill Mc

Girl, you live in LA-LA land.
Its because of people like you, that will turn the USA into a surrender country.
Its because of people like you, with your sensitivity, and compassion.
America will collapse.
I won't be around to see it, but I hope you are.
You will suffer the consequence's.
Those who don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

Molly B

i cant watch the video, but these are guys that have witnessed all kinds of brutality from both sides. It has a psychological effect on them and i dont really think we should hold them accountable for some extreme things that they do. If we were put in some of the situations they are put in, we may never be the same either.

ihop23947

Would you rather march around Iraq waving rainbow flags and singing ***-by-yah? Unfornunately war isn't pretty. Ultimately you win the hearts and minds of people by projecting your will over theirs. i.e. he with the biggest gun wins. Period.

Dougc

I am not trying to undermine female but them creating on men and some even killing them for insurance money ( this lady in florida killed her two previous husbands) and then having affairs with minors ,,,,

they KNEW the boys were just kidsm and then the lady in texas who drowned her five kids .....

are they really "having problems" is this how they win the hearts of men and kids?

how can I date a lady when so many of them are so bad? I hate people who judge hundeds of thousands based on the actions of a few don't you?

dougc

virtualguy92107

It's not a case of what do you think of our troops. War is a psychotic experience, with very few things for a soldier's brain to hold onto that relate to the rest of the world's 'reality'.
The things that have been a mainstay of soldiers throughout history are cameraderie and a belief that what you do is in the right. Us versus them is the only way a soldier can think and survive.
When leadership says "WE" are tough with prisoners as a necessary part of our survival, soldiers get tough. We've trained a generation of cops at the likes of Abu Ghraib.
When leadership says "THEY" are merciless scum that only want to kill us and deserve no quarter, and the people that are in fact trying to kill you on a daily basis look like civilians, the fact that you might harm a few of "THEM" that just aren't actively shooting at you at the time is very unimportant, and anything that reminds you of an active killer is grounds for doing it first. We're going to see the results of post-traumatic stress in our street crime and mental illness statistics for a generation, we'll see the evidence of our leadership's attitude in our blaming it on the victims.

We, as a nation, went along with leadership that made a very bad choice and continues to make bad choices. Troops have no blame in the matter, they're doing what their orders and the effects of war make them do.
We who continue to let our leadership's bad choices screw up Iraq and, more importantly, the youth and future of America are the ones to think badly of.

r1114@sbcglobal.net

how do you judge our troops you are here, breathing

shrty0525

I'm not watching the video.

did you know that the enemy uses children as weapons?

Should the soldiers have died cause they were using a child either as a weapon or a shield?

You weren't at the place it happened - so for you to ASSume it was wrong is being an armchair quarterback.

Very easy to pass judgement when you weren't there - and to assume they did something wrong.

My son has spent two years of his young life over there, and I can say, in general, I'd rather not have war, but sometimes it's necessary, as in Vietnam and WWII where our family heritage found itself in necessary wars. You might be able to sit back smugly and condemn the soldiers, but you get over there and do the job of defending our country, and you'll see just how embarrassed you'd be having asked your question. Reality has an interesting way of waking you up. God Bless you.

War Veteran

The thing is that you don't know what happened prior to that attack. For all you know, someone from that vehicle could have shot a rocket at those troops. Imagine how you would feel if someone tried to kill you...wouldn't you want to retaliate?

As for the guy that drove up to it, sometimes bad things happen. For one, if you heard gunfire would you continue driving towards where the sound is getting louder?

I spend 2 years in Iraq and I was involved in several ambushes. I watched the vehicle in front of me get hit by a car bomb as we were driving down the road. Once I realized everyone in my vehicle was alright, it was all I could do not to get out of the vehicle and start shooting everyone around me.

Unless you've been in the situation...you will never understand. Our troops need support!

judgmentknight

you do what you have to do to survive. who can say we wouldn't do any of the same things to stay alive?

organiz'd khoaz

my sis is in the army and most of my family and well where i come from WV a ton of people here has served and i honer them for fighting for my freedom...like ur freedom to say what you want to about whats going on...i know that i couldnt do it...thats why i respect those who have is and will...but that is my decision...i cant say against what you do though...but please just give it a thought...could you do what they do see what they see?my sis watched a buddy die!

RaeOLyte

I won't watch the video, but I can say that I don't envy the positions of our soldiers. They are in a horrendous situation. I commend them for all that they do.

Zaye

I think they're a buch of kids scared out of their minds and I feel bad for them. I wish the president would bring them all home. NOW.

Sam

i think what you need to do is support our troops. your not over there in Iraq so you dont know what goes on over there. until you have been there and seen actual situations, dont judge.

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