I am a newly commissioned Officer. Is it okay for me to date enlisted women?

JMK_1

No, it is a total violation of the UCMJ. Also, no newly commissioned officer would ask a question like that. So when you grow you can try to get a commission, however that maybe difficult with a felony conviction of impersonating an officer.

lymanspond

In a word, No...(you would already know this if you really were in the military)

R, P, then B

The charge would be fraternizing sir, don't they teach the UCMJ in OCS anymore? Besides that, sir, you have no " Women" in the millitary, they are soldiers under your command, or have they stopped teaching that as well, sir.

BTW, impersonating an office in the armed forces is a fedral offence, you lying ***

J S

Obviously you learned nothing during your training. Ever heard of fraternization??

Mike W

If you were really an officer, you'd already know the answer to that question.

GunnyC

No it is considered fraternization and is cause for Court Martial and discharge from service. It is also not legal for a senior enlisted to date a junior enlisted; a Staff NCO can be charged with the same thing for dating a lower rank, usual "rule" when I was in was more then two grades different if they were not under your charge; I think the same was said of Officers. I have seen three SNCO's given either Non-Judicial Punishment or Court Martialed for this when I was in. A simple rule for you to follow is that if you are in a position of authority over them then you should not date them or more then two grades different if not; some commands look at it a little different and say one rank so you should check before you do it. In the case of Officers and enlisted it is a very simple No.
Socializing is very different then dating; I worked for a Colonel who once a month would have a social function for the entire group (Private and up); it was voluntary and no rank was used, just first names were the guidelines and he used it to find out what everyone thought and how they were; outside of that setting it was Yes Sir and No Sir. Nothing said there was ever used for or against anyone in the two years i served under him and from talking to other SNCO's he had done the same thing for years and always kept it off th record.
If you aren't mature enough to uderstand the difference in socializing and dating then you should not be in a position of authority. Personally I had troops at my house for special occassions and parties and at those times it was informal but I made sure they understood that outside of those occassions it was Gunny and military protocol was to be followed; I found out lots of information about my troops that way and found ways to do things diffferently and better at times-they also found out my quirks and it made for a smoother, more efficient operation.

jake

Yes, right up to when they catch you and convict you of doing so!

kill-joy

Only if you're willing to end your career on a bad note.

My sister was in the Army and as a PFC, she began dating an E-5 (Sgt.) and was drummed out of the service, with a demotion. It's been on her permanent record ever since.

I'm sure in your situation it would be a heck of a lot worse for you since you are an officer.

Brian KÂ²

If you really where in the military and an officer to boot you would not be asking.

NO

oscarsix5

As long as she's not connected to your chain of command and you keep it quiet.

Your 'younger and hotter' comment makes me worry about your level maturity however, you don't ever want to be counseled by your commander regarding your dating habits...

SgtMoto

Yeah, and I am the Pope

mAT2t

Yes you can, but only the ones who joined with their parents' permission, because they're still 17....

Go for it!!

Mrsjvb

Not unless you can prove a prior relationship existed before you were Commissioned.

otherwise, you won't be an O1 for very long.. you'll be drummed out for fraternization.

grow up.

lana_sands

Keeps your hands out the cookie jar or kiss the butter bars goodbye. General rule of thumb: AVOID MILITARY FEMALES 100%. Work with them, salute them, have mess with them. BUT NEVER NEVER DATE, HOOK UP, KISS, SLAP ON THE BUTT, MAKE A COMMENT or anything toward one.

The chicks off post are always better & legal under the UCMJ.

As an officer you are prohibited from socializing with enlisted males and females this includes dating the hotties.

Mariaeleana

Is fraternizing the same as socializing? And is socializing the same as dating? And why can an E9 date an E2 and an O5 date an O3. In both cases I could see an abuse of power. At one time fraternizing meant socializing and the issue of dating was not addressed because at the time that the rules were written it was a man's military. Now I stand corrected if the regs have been modified to specifically address the issure of dating between officers and enlisteds was. Hell, I see fraternization going on all the time. One time my father (E7) had to drop some papers off at his CO's house. The CO was having a party and following the rules of protocol my father knocked on the back door and was allowed entrance into the kitchen away from the party. When his CO arrived in the kitchen he said, "Bob, you don't have to come to the back door, when you come to my house." To which my father replied, Sir I was following military protocol. The CO informed my father than in his home he did not have to address him as sir or Col so and so but by his first name, he did not have to go to the back door and he proceeded to invite my father to join the party and have a drink, while my father was in his NCO dress blues. So much for fraternizing.

floridaladylaw

NO, it is not OK. Try not to mess up, if you are indeed a newly commissioned officer, in the first year. Dating enlisted women will get you in trouble. Remember one thing in the military. Bill Clinton and countless others have forgotten this rule and have rued the day. "Never sleep with anyone with less to lose than you do." Dating enlisted women definitely violate this rule!

P.S. Enlisted women are not younger and hotter. I think you need a touchup on the "officer and a gentleman" thing you have signed up for!

te622993

no way. I was a legal clerk in the Marine Corps for 4 years and saw officers try it - even Staff NCO's try to date lcpl's and they got burned every time. If you do it and get caught, expect an involuntary separation at the least - or even court martial as it is a violation of the UCMJ under 'conduct unbecoming....' and 'fraternization' (the catch all - article 134). But, maybe its worth it to you. I know a ssgt that dated a marine and got adsepped, but they got married and he started his life over. good luck. that's a tough spot.

tom l

If you are a commissioned officer, you already know the answer to that question.

LOL....thanks for the joke of the day!....lol

Dawnz

I believe that it's one of the military rules that cannot be violated.

As a military officer u must be set an example to your followers and it's your responsibility to uphold that rules.

So the choice is yours!

Choose the best that can please your heart for good.

Bob D

No. Not in any military I heard of...If US. check UCMJ....

C.Hall

I heard it's not, because then other enlisted personnel will feel that you show favoritism toward her. Personally, I think you should be able to date whoever you want...

Sean C

This Butter bar just got out of college and misses the frat parties.

You're in the Army now LT!!!!

paranthropus2001

Certainly!..Its fine, go ahead, have fun, get into it mate!..Just dont get sprung doing it thats all!

horseshoes

there are plenty of "younger and hotter" women who are enlisted in the military. Date one of them, and don't break the rules.

Chief

If your were enlisted, you have one year to make a decision to marry or cease the relationship. 600-20 4-14 c. (2) (b) In relationships where one of the enlisted members has entered into a program intended to result in a change in their status from enlisted to officer, the couple must terminate the relationship permanently or marry within either one year of the actual start date of the program, before the change in status occurs, or within one year of the publication date of this regulation, whichever occurs later. Chief Warrant Officer 2

Chief

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