I found out an interesting fact today....?

Mama Gretch

Yes, I heard that... puts things into perspective, about just how screwed America is by starting this war. Not just the numbers of dead (and so many people believe "it's only Arabs, so who cares!") but the amount of ill-will we have generated against us that will come back and haunt us for generations. We have recruited terrorists, not diminished them! It's not that Iraq was a great place under Saddam - he was an exceptionally cruel and greedy leader who should have been deposed - but THE WORLD IS NOT BETTER OFF! Period.

odandme

My husband is directly involved in the Middle East conflicts as well. I don't think Iraq was better off with Saddham, but I don't think they're better of with us there either. I wish I knew what the solution was.

Tommy D

You make a valid point. Thanks for your service and stay safe. Bush is the Butcher of Baghdad.

teddybear

It is true, apparently. Saddam Hussein was kept in power by many Countries for most of that time, with plenty of military equipment sales. Now the powers that be are considering putting in another strong leader.
Our military should never have been sent in. George W was determined to finish off the job his Father left incomplete when he was in power.

tylr_luv

MY COUSIN IS SERVING IN IRAQ HES LUCKY HES IN THE GREEN ZONE ALL OF THE TIME.. BUT HE TOLD ME ABOUT THIS. IT DISCUST ME!! I WISH BUSH WOULD STOP TRYING TO FINISH WHAT HIS DADDY STARTED AND PULL OUR TROOPS OUT AND BRING THEM HOME!!!!!!!! BUSH HAD MADE THINGS WORST, LETS BRING THE TROOPS HOME AND LET THE IRAQIS FIGHT AMONG THEMSELVES!!!!

Justsyd

I think that you're right, but thank you for serving in the military.

SteveT

This is awful. We should never have meddled in their affairs. How must our soldiers feel, knowing this?

Debra H

Maybe those deaths are the reason that many Iraqi are now calling for the Americans to leave. They have not been given freedom, they have just been given another way to die. I feel very sorry for the good Iraqi people.. not the terrorists but the ordinary people like we are.. who are losing their loved ones daily while we tramp around in military uniform telling them we are saving them. If a child dies... nothing has been saved, no matter how you try to make it sound.

Peter O

Strong arm dictators keep ethnic in-fighting in check..Just look at the Balkins. Is this good? I don't know.

kerrie h

My husband has been reading a book (Dusty Warriors)about his old regiment in Iraq and told me this story.
A 12 year old girl was talking to some british soldiers and her father was so angry at this that he beat the girl up.Later on as a result of this the squadies then beat up the father for what he did to his daughter.
And how did the father react to this? He cut his daughters throat!
He did this just to save face in front of his fellow villagers.

I don't think that anything we do will make Iraq a safer place to live
as this is the only way they know how to.

Mrs. Puttputt

its a civil war over there and because or bush all these men and women are loosing there lives for a stupid reason. my hubby is over there and i want him home and not risking his life for a country that doesn't even want to help themselves. they are letting us do the work and kill off our people instead of theirs!

anu r

Being an Afghan and knowing the life ppl lead in "3rd world countries" i think there is no better way... either way ppl suffer... Saddam may have killed and tortured for his benefits... but eventhough the country may seem democratic... there will Political Corruption and other sorts of torture people will have to go through...only time will tell....

Indigo's Mum

Please send the boys home.

GANJI

blair & bush should never have cheated the people into getting into this war,and now they must get the hell outta there NOW...how do they sleep at night?

Lynn

No I did not know that...makes one think..

Stay safe, Lynn

Ford Prefect

The 650,000 deaths is an estimate made by one group: I think it is a possible figure, but it's hard to know for sure--I'm sure it's near there though. If you remove the reason of WMD's, and remain with the reason "to give the Iraqis democracy"...your end resulting thought is right on.

This country has no business bring a different government to a country by force. I would have to admit that Iraq was no Garden of Eden under Saddam, but this region (apparently) needs a strong man type to rule it...at least in this era. I would bet that the next "real" leader of Iraq will be a strongman as well and if there is an elected parliament, it would take a back seat to this man. I have read that the ideology of Neo-Conservatives, compared to more traditional conservatives and Liberals, has an ideology of bringing democracy to third world countries so that they could become part of the Western capitalist system and that they are very willing to use force to see it through...hence Iraq. I am a Conservative Democrat and believe no such nonsense. Although the most powerful country on Earth, we cannot hope to change the minds and hearts of people in other countries...it is hopeless idealism on the part off the Neo-Conservatives.

Prediction: we will be there for 2 more years, another hundred thousand will die, the insurgents will still be there, the government will be unstable and the entire region will be worse off for it for years to come....at least we could have controlled Saddam with airstrikes and the like...kept him from developing nuclear weapons....we had the right to do so and could have kept doing it a lot cheaper and with less lives lost on either side.....BETTER TO HAVE THE ENEMY YOU KNOW, HE'S LESS DANGEROUS THAN THE ONE YOU DON'T KNOW

stringostar

GET YOURSELF HOME. the people there DO NOT appreciate what you are doing for them. you say we have killed all those inncocent people..... what about the soldiers who have died, and for what?? for the militia and rebels to take control of their country.?? we went to help them, and all they do is petrol bomb us and blow us up. if the iraqi people are that bothered, why dont they fight off these groups of barbarians? my heart goes out to you, and i hope you return safely.

clusp

Yeah, but under Saddam no doubt they were all good people he killed, since the Bush/Blaire WMD hunt they were all evil doers.

indianspirit

It proves that war does not solve war. Two wrongs dont make a right and no human is greater than the other etc. Man, no matter what race or colour cannot bring a final end to war because there will always be one more man who wants and desires the power it brings, costing the lives of thousands of people, innocent or not. How can anyone be 'better' off with any leader/power who rules with arms and destructive measures.

Studbolt Slickrock

It's OK because the US has "good intentions".

William D

think also who put saddam in power.

Slow Poke

You forgot to count all the Iranians and the Iraqis in the war, which would put the count over a million.

acid tongue

who cares

will

ya there's been way more than 650,000 deaths since then but you mention nothing else about these deaths, so i must assume these deaths are limited to iraq. i'm more than likely right.

hayley m

how do u feel about being there

alfie

On those stats, and others, the Iraqi people did seem to be better off under Satan's b.itch (South Park reference).

Thing is, would the Americans be better off under Mexican rule? Their twice non-elected president has taken all of their liberties away. Perhaps someone, Mexico maybe?, should invade the U.S.A and take over?

Maybe the World would become a better place?

connie_mspt

Supposedly we went there to make things better. I hope we do eventually. I hear so many conflicting stories about what different groups think that I don't know what I think. I hope our leader is listening to God.

shrty0525

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/

This source says about 50,000.

dr_mackey

Depends greatly on the way they were killed. In Saddams' case
were they humanely killed, I think not.

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