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Rich B
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No doubt in my mind. If we really are at war, then take it to them. War by definition means to crush your enemy without mercy only and until they cease to rise to try to continue the fight. Once they have been defeated, then mercy may be shown but till that time, give it everything you have plus 10% more.
As far as further acts deemed as war crimes? No, it would not be a proper course nor would it be necessary if we prosecute this war in the manner required. Use the proper ROE in all cases but we really must stop trying to fight a war based on political correctness and the whining of a few who would prefer to wish the bad men away. |
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shyguy54
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same old thing ...let a politician run a war and our guys die
let the politician ASK a soldier to run the war...the enemy die...
bring back winston and annihilate the enemy |
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bobji738
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if you mean can we fight like the insurgents, like hit and run the rebels? sure
but if you mean we should blow up civilians and torture people like the terrorists are doing, no
it takes a higher person to do whats right even in the face of wrong...and before you guys flame me about would you be in iraq? im gonna say yes, im joining once i graduate from high school |
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mudmarine
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We don't want to sink to the level of barbarity of our enemies.
At the same time ,we must destroy their will and means to fight.
Decisively defeat them .
That is the only exit strategy the enemy will ever understand . |
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Shawn M
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Most people don't understand the Law of Armed Conflict, so lets put the principals out there. These are very noble principles, and they are our check and balance in any situation:
Three important LOAC principles govern armed conflict—military necessity, distinction, and proportionality.
1. Military Necessity. Military necessity requires combat forces to engage in only those acts necessary to accomplish a legitimate military objective. Attacks shall be limited strictly to military objectives. In applying military necessity to targeting, the rule generally means the United States Military may target those facilities, equipment, and forces which, if destroyed, would lead as quickly as possible to the enemy’s partial or complete submission.
Military necessity also applies to weapons review. AFI 51-402, Weapons Review, requires the Air Force to perform a legal review of all weapons and weapons systems intended to meet a military requirement. These reviews ensure the United States complies with its international obligations, especially those relating to the LOAC, and it helps military planners ensure military personnel do not use weapons or weapons systems that violate international law.
2. Distinction. Distinction means discriminating between lawful combatant targets and noncombatant targets such as civilians, civilian property, POWs, and wounded personnel who are out of combat. The central idea of distinction is to only engage valid military targets. An indiscriminate attack is one that strikes military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction. Distinction requires defenders to separate military objects from civilian objects to the maximum extent feasible. Therefore, it would be inappropriate to locate a hospital or POW camp next to an ammunition factory.
3. Proportionality. Proportionality prohibits the use of any kind or degree of force that exceeds that needed to accomplish the military objective. Proportionality compares the military advantage gained to the harm inflicted while gaining this advantage. Proportionality requires a balancing test between the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated by attacking a legitimate military target and the expected incidental civilian injury or damage. Under this balancing test, excessive incidental losses are prohibited. Proportionality seeks to prevent an attack in situations where civilian casualties would clearly outweigh military gains. This principle encourages combat forces to minimize collateral damage—the incidental, unintended destruction that occurs as a result of a lawful attack against a legitimate military target. |
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person1
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rules of engagaement/geneva convention... throw it out of the window war is war not a bloody science |
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trucker
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the rules we have now like prosecuting troops for being too rutheless, is out of order when the enemy can be as ruthless as he likes and laugh about it, this yanki marine thats having a trial because he blew his top should just be taken ooff the front line and put in phsyciatric treatment place to try and calm him back to normality then give him a home based job.I say this because its too one sided, and people judging heim will be civilians in a state of comfort not warriors in a state of battle.let the military deal with it and keep the civis out of this particular type of incident, war is mad, being mad fits,you cant expect complete sanity in that situation. |
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Ransom
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Rules are necessary, but not the rules of our enemy. They are barbaric. Beheading civilians is not the way to go. Panties on their heads though...
I think we should limit the media access to the war. If it were covered like WWII more people would support the cause.
Half of America is too weak to sustain the losses of WWII. The enemy wasn't even as dangerous as this one and we lost 100 times more troops. |
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freaky
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Although I personally don't like wars, I think the idea of "rules of engagement" or War crimes utterly stupid. If you are in a war, the idea is to kill the enemy and to inflict as much damage as possible. Stuff the moral high road. Get the job done. Otherwise, don't bother fighting. |
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bob
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The forces in the UK are some of the best in the world because the have to adhere to strict rule of engagement.
A bunch of hot heads doing what they want ruins the command structure and professional nature of the modern force |
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duality
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rules of war, LOL .... that's almost as funny as military intelligence.
In fact, there ARE rules of war, but almost always get ignored. |
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Super G
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rules is the wrong word -- it's more of a combat ethics issue. the key is to protect unarmed civilians whilst engaging the enemy. when you take the 'cause nobile' out of the equation and turn the dogs loose so to speak, you're left with savages fighting savages. anyone familiar with violent urban warfare knows how quickly the environment can deteriorate into hellish chaos in the face of mass, unbiased eradication. (however, if soldiers observe insurgents planting bombs, they should deal with it swiftly and immediately) |
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OK_WHATEVER
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wipe them out |
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Anarchy99
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If we do not have standards, what makes us better than them?? If we thow out the rules, whu are we there? |
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ansnage
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The most important rule of a soldier is that their and comrade's life are the most important. If their enemy post even the slightest threat, the soldier should fire off their weapons.
The rules imposed is to help reduce the number of civilian and POW casualty which some soldiers kill for revenge.
However, i see no reason in letting those POWs who kill another person to walk away as war heros and without any charges. The enemy should be treated with the same rule.
How bout the recent charges the marines will face for killing the civilian. If punishment were not imposed, wouldn't the number of civilian death be higher in the next war? |
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Rich S
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I THINK OUR SOLDIERS ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE TO SOME EXTENT. IF THE ENEMY KNEW THAT HIS TACTICS COULD AND WOULD BE USED AGAINST HIM AND HIS FAMILIES, MANY WOULD THINK TWICE BEFORE BLOWING UP CROWDS OF INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN. ALSO, FOR THE MOST PART, AMERICAN SERVICE PEOPLE GO WAY OUT OF THEIR WAY TO AVOID INNOCENT CASUALTIES AND IN SO DOING PUT THEMSELVES IN MORTAL DANGER. I SAW A TON OF THAT IN VIETNAM. A LOT OF FOLKS DONT UNDERSTAND HOW OFTEN OUR BOYS GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO PROTECT AND HELP PEOPLE IN COMBAT ZONES. MOST OF THE TROOPS HAVE MORE COMPASSION IN THEIR LITTLE FINGER THEN THE ENEMY DOES IN THEIR WHOLE OUTFIT. THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE, BUT THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE RULE. RULES OF WAR HELP YOU MAINTAIN SOME SEMBLANCE OF HUMANITY IN AN OTHERWISE INHUMANE SITUATION. IF ONE SIDE HONORS THAT AND THE OTHER DISMISSES IT, THERE IS AN IMBALANCE WHICH MAKES THE JOB MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. ATROCITIES PERPETRATED BY ONE SIDE SOMETIMES HAS THE TENDENCEY TO MAKE THE OTHER SIDE FIGHT HARDER AND BELIEVE THEIR MISSION AND PURPOSE ARE MORALLY SUPERIOR. |
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Cracker
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I agree with bob.
The reason the UK military intelligence & UK forces are so good is because they are disciplined, well trained, know the parameters each person operates within and they have respect for people.
Even if you have to kill, they are told to be respectful
That’s why their mission success rate & enemy kill rate is so much better and why the UK Special Forces are the best in the world.
Going round the streets like Rambo just gains hatred. Before you know it, there will be a civilian insurgency and they’ll kick your butt.. Not good! |
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only p
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Yes. We are voluntarily fighting with one hand tied behind our backs. Insurgents dress like civilians with the implicit knowledge that we will not fire until fired at. |
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netnazivictim
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Worked in WW2, and we call them the "Greatest Generation". |
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nosdda
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The big problem our troops have is trying to identify the enemy. They wear no uniform, and you can't tell the difference between the enemy and the innocent s. If our troops were to fight the same as the enemy that is the worst situation they could be in. Could you imagine the publicity this would give the enemy? and how they would use it on arab television. We cannot use "S.S." tactics. We have to go by the book. |
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fangtaiyang
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The rules of war are set by treaties for humanitarian reasons. Our troops do, in fact attempt to wipe out the enemy. The rules involve avoiding taking innocent lives, as in non-cambatants, civilians. The first rule of war should be not to fight in the first place, but unfortuantely we still engage in warfare. Killing innocents is wrong whoever does it and if an enemy does it first, it is not a justification for our troops to do it as well.
The definition of what is a war crime is made by the victors of a conflict. |
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tora911
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Sorry, we need to hold ourselves to a standard.
If we didn't we wouldn't be very civilized and just droping nukes would be too easy.
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reggie
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Soldiers are trained to fight NOT to retaliate by going and killing innocent men, women and children as just seen in Iraq. If they get attacked go for the people who did it not innocent people living in the nearest village....if they can't handle war then don't join the army...there is no excuse |
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Inigo Montoya
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Rules of war are outdated and not suited for 21th century conflicts.
humanity should rethink the morality of the present laws and set a new set of rules that is more suitable for the asymmetric battles of our times. |
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Eric B
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no, we are better than the terrorists.
John macain ( not that i like him) said that while he was being tourtured in vietnam the only thing that kept him from giving up was the knowlage that we didn't resort to tourture.
So, the question I pose to you is: are we a nation of couards who will sink to the level of extreamists and terrorists, or, are we a nation of men who will fight with honor and show the world what class and dignity is? its up to you... vote |
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T101
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If I was in charge our soldiers would be housed in the green zone and would come out on swift raids to smash the enemy ruthlessly until they submitted to our will. No sitting around in neighborhoods like fish in a barrel. I would also just bomb the crap out of the enemy until their will to fight had diminished.
I agree with Lane, If my buddy had just been blown up and I saw this house of people cheering to Allah, you better be sure I would come in there to blast'em |
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naughty boy
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THE ONLY RULE IS TO KILL AS MANY AS POSSIBLE |
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Lane
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Kill em all and sort em out later. If you're referring to the recent case where US troops killed the Iraqis that watched insurgents plant bombs, I think they had every right to kill them.
I agree with T101- Wipe out entire neighborhoods if thats what it takes to end this crap and kill the insurgents. Make them shudder in fear at what we might do if they don't follow instructions. Thats better than continuing to have our guys keep getting killed |
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