Whos winning in the war in iraq?

samanthakhz

well, the "Republi-cant Party" is losing the war of reason.

Brite Tiger

The War Is Lost

The Pentagonâ€™s latest quarterly â€œprogressâ€ report to Congress on Iraq is a grim tale of a lost war. The Pentagon told Congress what Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and propaganda organs such as Fox â€œNewsâ€ never tell the American public, namely:

(1) The Sunni-based insurgency remains â€œpotent and viableâ€ despite spiraling Sunni-Shiite violence and beefed up US forces.

(2) Since the last report three months ago, Iraqi casualties from â€œsectarian clashesâ€--the Pentagonâ€™s euphemism for civil war--have soared by more than 50 percent.

(3) From May when the new Iraqi government was established until August, the average number of weekly attacks increased sharply to 800.

(4) Since the previous report, Iraqi daily casualties have jumped by 50 per cent from 80 per day to 120 per day. Currently, Iraqis are dying at the rate of 43,800 per year from violence.

The Iraqi government cowers behind the fortified walls of the â€œGreen Zone.â€ On August 31, the Kurds in the north took down the Iraqi flag and replaced it with the Kurdish one. Most of Iraq is ruled by Shiite and Sunni militias. Conflict between them has forced 160,000 Iraqis to flee their homes.

Who is going to tell Bush that the war is lost?

Is Rumsfeld going to tell him?

Is Cheney going to tell him?

How can they tell him after all the bravado and false reports?

This is a delusional administration. Confronted with three major polls showing that two-thirds of Americans oppose the Iraq war, Bush declared that he is staying the course, demonstrating yet again his disdain for common sense and the will of the American people.

If Bush and his neoconservative cabal were judged by their performance they would be ridden out of town on a rail. If a court of law judged their actions, they would walk the plank.

Everything this moronic regime promised about a â€œcakewalkâ€ war and the ease of pacifying Iraq and turning it into an American puppet democracy has turned to ashes in President Bushâ€™s mouth.

Having lost the Iraq war, the neoconservatives are determined to initiate war with Iran.

National security expert John Prados says, â€œThe pattern of manipulation and misuse of intelligence that served the Bush administration in the drive to start a war with Iraq is being repeated today for its neighbor Iran.â€

It is now established beyond a reasonable doubt that the neocons intentionally cooked up false intelligence in order to justify the invasion of Iraq, an invasion that has resulted in tens of thousands of Iraqi and American casualties, both dead and maimed.

Aggressive wars are themselves war crimes. To intentionally create a false basis for an aggressive war is an act of high treason.

Alarmed by the neoconservative drive to start a war with Iran before the US can extricate itself from the Iraq catastrophe, the CIA firmly declared that any Iranian nuclear weapon is a decade away. This undermines the neoconservativesâ€™ urgency to attack Iran now.

Neoconservative fanatics tried to discredit the CIA with a recent report by the House Intelligence Committee Republican staff written by neoconservative Frederick Fleitz, a protege of neocon heavyweight John Bolton, a person active in concocting the false case for war against Iraq. Fleitz alleges that the CIA is a know-nothing agency that lacks the ability to assess Iranâ€™s ability to make nuclear weapons.

Neocons also dismiss the findings of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which issued a report on August 31 reaffirming that there is no tangible proof that Iranâ€™s nuclear energy program has a military aspect.

The neoconservatives plan to plunge America into war with Iran before they can be held accountable for the lost war in Iraq.

This neoconservative conspiracy against the United States and Iran must be stopped. Neocons must be removed from the government that they have betrayed and held accountable for their crimes.

Before America can preach democracy to the world, we must first rescue American democracy from the Bush regime and re-establish government accountability to the people

Kevin H

Nobody. Really, who is benefiting from this?

The Iraqi people? Tell me when these people felt more secure - under Saddam's "reign of terror" or now when the threat of being killed by insurgents is so high.

The U.S.? No Weapons of Mass Destruction. No cheap oil. No reduction in terrorist activity in the middle east.

The Insurgents? They're getting captured or killed left and right, fighting against a much more capable force.

So who IS benefiting from this war? That's a more pertinent question.

quelisto

No one is winning.

How exactly are the Iranians going to take over the US? Pray tell about that wild@ss theory.

If we 'lose' by pulling out now, we have our pride humbled a bit. If we sit around and take more casaulties and then leave, well then we have more wounded pride and more needlessly dead soliders.

If the radical Shia take over control of 2/3 of Iraq what happens? Some gloating, some wild parades, and then they realize that they need to sell some oil if they want to be able to run their government. At that point they realize, as the Iranians do now, that they have to limit just how gleeful they are about hating the West, because we'll be their biggest buyer of crude. They'll be able to better fund terrorism, but they also will realize that they can't go too far or they'll put their own power and pocketbook at risk.

We have no rational strategic reason to remain in Iraq. We lose if we keep hemorrhaging money and lives on this Neocon disaster.

Starstriker

insurgents

Piratesauce

Noones "winning" because noone CAN win. We aren't fighting a goverment or even an organization, we're fighting a bunch of random stubborn terrorists.

No, the Iraqians won't take over the US. As far as I'm concerned they do not even exist.

evil_paul

Nobody wins in war. Secondly, people who live in Iraq are Iraqi, not Iraqians. Lastly, the Iraqi people can't effectively take control of thier own government, how the hell are they possibly, going to take over the US.

â™¥Barbaroâ™¥

I don't think anyone is winning yet. But I really want the war to be done with already! Bush should have NEVER sent troops over there! We would all be in fricken peace if he would have never started that stupid war!!!! To many people are getting killed for somthing that we might not even win. :(

--melissa--

johndeereman

CBS,ABC,NBC et al plus the Democrats are winning in Iraq.

will w

It's a stalemate. Neither side is winning but Congress passed a bill stating that the United States will pull out in 2008. The insurgents (or the Muslim resistance force) don't have the manpower to take over the US. The United States has a bigger military so it would be suicide to invade.

Fraser T

We lost this war when we invaded. (Notice how we didn't invade until we were certain that we had stripped them of their weapons, which we had earlier equipped them with, with which they might have defended themselves. Contrary to the corporate media propaganda blitz, it was the US that withdrew the UN weapons inspectors, fearing that they might actually Iraq in compliance with UN demands. Certainly, Saddam was no saint, but the US supported him unconditionally during the period of his worst atrocities. There are never any winners in war, except the war profiteers (read Bechtel, Halliburton, et al). The Iraqis have lost, and the Americans have lost. The Iraqis have lost innumerable citizens due to the years of illegal sanctions imposed upon them, the war we have made on them, and they will continue to suffer enormously from the effects of the depleted uranium and other illegal weapons we have used there. They will suffer even greater losses as the US enforces its will upon their country, destroys its economy, and robs the country of its resources. American citizens have lost substantial civil rights, and the loss of millions and even billions of dollars which otherwise could have been spent for the social services this country desperately needs, not to mention those in the armed forces that have been killed and maimed. This illegal and immoral war has facilitated the destruction of the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution, severely weakened the First, strengthened the extremists, provided an excuse for repression at home and abroad, and has put our republic in dire jeopardy. We have lost the moral standing we once had, have engaged in torture, aggressive war, and continue to disregard the law, both domestic and international (international treaties become the law of the land when the Senate approves them). I don't believe that the Iraqis or anyone else would want to take over the US, but by the principle of universality (the notion that the rules we impose on others are to be applied first and foremost to ourselves), and the actions of numerous US administrations, they certainly have the right to bomb Washington (at least) and impose sanctions upon us. After all, they were merely accused (falsely, as it turns out) of developing nuclear weapons. It is the US that has and is actually using them (in spite of its obligations under law), and the US which is by far the greatest threat to world peace, far greater than any threat Iraq could be. Even Iraq's neighbors weren't so irrational as to believe that Saddam posed a threat to them. I support the Iraqi resistance to the US military occupation, and applaud those there that are resisting. I hope that if the US were occupied by a hostile foreign power, our citizens would show as much courage as the Iraqi resistance show in their efforts to oust the invaders (US, British and the coalition of the morally bankrupt) with whatever means are available to them. Punishing the Iraqis for the sins of their leader (also known as collective punishment, a war crime), or for defending themselves against our unwarranted and illegal attack is the height of moral cowardice. Those who would defend these despicable American actions only show their lack of compassion for their fellow man, their contempt for law and justice, and the selective and self-serving nature of their commitment to the principles upon which this nation was founded. And to think that many of these people consider themselves Christian. What hypocrisy!

P.O.W.

Insurgency is winning, but that doesn't mean that Iraqis are taking over USA. If we lose the war we would lose the respect of the world.

freehugs4you

what will happen?

1 all world is going to laugh cause they can't wait to see Americans run away from Iraq like rabbit

2 we will face a big lose of integrity with the conseguence
the world will not listen or believe in us anymore

3 lose in Iraq is like open an international door to the terrorists
that will bring more terrorists attack in US cause we fail to stop them in Iraq so we can not stop them to attack us in our land

4 price of oil will be increase for America like a revenge
to what we done in Iraq

5 cause our failure in Iraq we will face a big confrontation
with Iran and Syria

6 there is a great probability Iran will attack Israel
cause our inability to win in Iraq let Israel alone to deal with them and that can be the prelude of WWIII

7 but not last there is a probablity Iran and Syria invade
Iraq soon we leave the combat zone!

alida

the us is not winning the war because we are not allowed to fight like it is a war. we are prosecuting our soldiers for killing civilians and unfortunately, that is part of war. will the Iraqis take over the us? they are trying to take it over one convenience store at a time. can the us ever win in Iraq? no, not unless we drop the political correctness and bomb them. get our soldiers off the ground and into the air.

Curt

Iraqians? I assume you meant Iranians.

No one is winning, we can win if we get our act together, but the insurgents will win if we leave.

If we lose, Iraq will be an absolute hell hole(yea you thought it was already bad), Iran will take over, and we will be back in just a few years to finish the job.

The estimates are 1 million dead Iraqis, and 5 million Iraqis displaced, in the event of a US pullout.

George

No one. All we're trying to do is to get everything under control there and once they have everything stable are are able to let the new government handle everything, then we can leave. That, and once all the citizens realize that screaming "alalalalalalala!" and blowing yourself up turns you into a joke and makes them look retarded.

It will probably take anywhere from 10-20 years to get Iraq to be completely controlled by it's own people (though I don't think that will ever really happen or go too well).

No, the Iraqis will not take over the US. All they can do is bomb us, and if they do that enough, well will do to them what we did to Hiroshima and others.

To all the other nations out there, I will quote Christopher Titus:

America is Schizophrenic. Don't mess with a nation that needs medication.

lil boosie

The Uinted States already had won the war the war is over they is just fighting over oil but the war is over and geroge bush just wanted to send 21,000 people out their just so they can help the Uinted States.

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