Police verus Prisoners?

Fram464

The point about "basic" human rights, surely is, that unless they are universal rights applied to all equally then we are sanctioning treating people as sub human, and what kind of example is that, two wrongs don't make a right.

Perhaps a better way would be to permit any claims for breaches of convicted persons rights to first be considered for victim compensation for the offence that they were convicted of in the first place.

Victims often don't get compensation from their assailant as their lawyer claims that have no assets etc... wouldn't it be a good idea if the suspects could be taken back to court when they get a payout and the court take the money and give it to the person who was wronged in the first place?

magiclady2007

i agree with you about the respect and social standing part on behalf of the police. However if somebody has been badly treated by the police then they should have the right to sue.Depending on what crime theyve comitted prisoners should be allowed to exercise their human rights,because they are people and have feelings too.If anybody is to blame its the criminal justice system

frankturk50

Whereas I do agree with the right of prisoners to sue but I don't think that the rest of us should pay for it let the do gooder groups pay.When I had a legitimate reason to sue someone I couldn't because I worked I couldn't get help with the legal fees which were way beyond my means.I sympathise with many peoples experience with the police in this day and age and think respect and standing as to be earned and unfortunately people do not get the service they expect and deserve and though this is often the fault of government the police service itself should take some of the responsibility.

Alan P

I could not possibly agree with you more. Criminals choose to break the law, and ought to abide by the punishments meted upon them. The problem is, of course, that there is a lucrative living to be made out of any dispute by Lawyers. Be it selling houses or representing hardened criminals complaining of their "civil" rights being contravened. Can you really blame a criminal if a lawyer says "Your rights have been breached, instruct me to sue and you could win a great deal of money." - yes, but nowhere near as much as the lawyer...

paul_601

Prisoners, just like anybody else, should be allowed sue if their human rights are being abused. No arguement. Prisoners are more likely to be abused just because where they are and the way people think they should be treated. Most police and prison officer don't but there are always some who will and prisoners or people detained should have rights to sue and get compensation.

People keep on talking about how soft prison is and all that but that is based on the stuff about open prisons. Most people in prison are in regular prisons behind high walls and wire and locked up in a cell each night and sometimes during the day. It's not as easy as people think although once you adapt it's not hell either.

Since I've been in trouble and got out of prison I get hassled by teh police alot more - some of you probably think they are just doing their job but alot of the time it's just to wind you up and to look hard. I had a few 'slaps' from the police too when I was younger and that really puts you against them.

There are some police who do a great job - I even play on a football team with a cop - and we can have a pint after training no worries even though he knows my history. He sees me as just a team mate instead of anything else. My brother even wants to be a cop!!

In fairness there are probably more good ones than bad but it's the bad ones you remember.

grumpy old git

i`m a serving police officer for 25yrs,these days we have to make sure the detain person, can`t call them prisoners, are handcuffed correctly and ask them if they too tight in case they hurt their wrist !!! there are numerous procedures we have to go through when arresting and if I don`t get it right I am sued, suspended ect. where are Police officers right when we are spat at ect !!!!

MrsC

I think the issue here is how one interprets the phrase 'human rights.' Although he has broken the law, a criminal is still a human being and still has certain rights which need to be, and are not always, respected.
However, the right to education does not extend to the right to a free university degree. The right to exercise does not extend to a brand new fully equipped gym.

The Death Bunny

We all are responsible for the silly excesses the 'compensation culture' - and lets not forget the policemen and women who also use the same tactics to sue for compensation.
you cannot deny the law to one group of people - the law is the law for all.
I do think there is an issue with people suing for compensation when they are responsible for their own problems - but that is a case for common sense in the judiciary, not a case for denying the law

mainmanstan

Not all prisoners are guilty until a court says so, thats not me being PC but truth. I arrest someone on suspision of a crime but sometimes it turns out they really are innocent, its rare but it happens and thats why prisoners have rights.
Of course Im not saying I arrest someone without having a belief of their guilt, that would be wrong but if 10 people say he did it but then admit they were all telling fibs, I acted professionally and in good faith.
Another point I want to make concerns deaths in custody, well more people die in hospitals but we dont accuse the nurses and doctors of assault and murder do we? Sick people get arrested, in fact a hell of a lot of prisoners in both prison and police cells are very sick of terminal illnesses, etc. People die everywhere, home, hospital, toilet and in cells. Accept it.

Society has to make a decision, do you want a police force that can protect society or one that has to kiss criminals *** and becomes nothing more than human traffic cones? Poeple complain about use of force and how police behave but then also complain about criminals getting away with things. Well Im sorry but one leads to the other. Theres a reason why policing is getting less effective and crime increasing. Its directly linked to various rights and redtape crap that being introduced everyday.

Heres an example, a guy robs in a shop using a syringe, gets stopped by security and gets punched by the security officer when he tries to use the filled syringe. Cops arrive and the guy startes pretending hes having a fit, during this 'fit' he bites, kicks and punches the 2 cops. When the ambulance crew tell him to wake up and stop acting he decides he wants to sue because even though he assaulted everyone around him, the cops and security didnt need to use force against him. Make it worse? A woman agrees with him and states in evidence in court that dealing with violence is part of our job, not the criminals. When asked about infection from the bite and syringe she replies "Thats what they are paid for". So there you have it, cops and security are not paid to stop criminals but to be assaulted and infected with diseases.

koodgly

Totally agree with you. There are too many moaning about the police not doing their job. They would be able to do it a lot better if it wasnt for all these do-gooders on about the rights of the criminals....excuse me, but I seem to remember somewhere, these laws were made for the protection and safety of the community. What is going on these days. The younger generation are growing up with no respect for anyone else, let alone the police.
The thing is the hand of the police are tied! ERR!!! shouldnt it be the hands of the criminals hands that are tied?

j.pee69

here here

james480468

the reason guys in jail sue the system cause they got *** all else to do in there and once one person does something they all jump in,and police officers abuse tpower ye they got a hard job no-1 asks them to act like *** holes am sory a hate police and they got to understand spittin in faces and being abusive comes with job,but didnt say thatrs ok a got pitijail for arguing with them 3month for being drunk nothing else!ave never sued the system for slopping out or not giving me proper things inside u cant win with theses laws now theres more human rights and daftys in jail got nowt else to loose and want sum cash but everyone to there own a supposse!a dont think the pigs have to put up with all this tho they only do a job but a very high percentage abuse it ok,hope a helped you!

stickadiddle

They sue for anything and everything because they (unlike you or I) have "human rights" and access to the bottomless well of legal aid money. In nearly every case a claim will be settled out of court, in the prisoners favour, by the Home Office because they don't have the courage or political will to fight them. This results in more and more claims being made and costing the country billions (yes billions)! every year.

rogerglyn

The Civil Rights movement has been hijacked by politically motivated people.

Rather than campaign for freedoms and rights of the individual in counties where there are no Civil Rights, they will choose to ''help'' those within counties that have an excellent Civil Rights record; it is easier and far less challenging and dangerous, and we have an easily manipulated press.

We also have gutless politicians and judiciary.

kiwi

I say so, too!

Nutsters-ChickÂ©

it's about time someone in power, came 2 their senses & removed prisoners human rights
at least 4 the duration of their sentences.
so the system can punish them, like it's supposed 2!

prison isn't what it used 2 b, it's a holiday camp. prisoners with keys 2 their cells & day release schemes, allowing prisoners 2 walk away, never 2 b seen again.
refuse the day release & work placements, open prisons & prisoners soon start squealing about their rights!

when common sense would tell us, if they choose 2 break the law, WE would expect them 2 suffer 4 the decision!
i'm all 4 abandoning human rights & the first party that includes this recommendation, may even get my vote.

but it really depends how it's implicated, coz knowing the Establishment,
they'll say they're doing it when in fact they're doing the complete opposite!
with the Police struggling 2 do their jobs & some are leaving the profession in droves, because of ridiculous rules & guidelines
they're required 2 handle all prisoners with kid gloves & they know damn well that doesn't work.

softly softly might have worked back in the 60's but not now.
the career criminals will stop at nothing 2 get what they want & often they have more rights, than we the law-abiding, do!

Chippers.

Prisoners are so keen to sue for breach of their human rights because one such prisoner tried and won their case. Snowball effect. And so becomes news and then they are all at it. Never a thought given to the human rights of the injured party.
The police that go out to do a job (yes of their choice) get abuse, spat on, threatened, stabbed or shot. Take your job into consideration, if someone was to try and do the same to you at work would you not try to retaliate. It might not be right but why should you have to take that kind of abuse. You would definitely stand up for your self. I believe people that dislike the police are people that have a reason to. Maybe they have previous dealings with the police for crimes, maybe they have required help from the police at some time and didn't get the help they needed. Or just dislike the fact that the police are there as a deterrent. All the same if there was no police on the streets what would your home town be like. Most law abiding citizens have nothing to fear, so good luck and a safe shift to all police in the world as it's a job I could not do, as i would probably end up in jail for retaliating to the scum that are on our streets to cause harm and endanger our lives.

Catwhiskers

I would agree and would like to say that once you break the law then you should forfeit your human rights as you have shown you cannot behave in a civilised human manner.

Daybreak

Amen

tiuliucci

I agree with you that police should get better pay and more protection. They provide an invaluable service to us all.

I also agree that prisoners deserve to have their human rights protected. Sometimes people who have power over others abuse that power and hurt people. This is true both in and out of prison.

I used to feel that someone who broke the law gave up their rights entirely, but that is not really true. Someone who steals things does not deserve to be tortured. They do need to be kept in a location that they cannot continue to steal things.

The police do get abused by the prisoners but they do sometimes retaliate. It is hard to blame the police for getting angry, but that does not make it right. The police need to make sure that they keep their anger under control. They usually take out their frustrations on the wrong prisoner anyway.

Take care,
Troy

CGIV76

Thank you!.

andrew m

spot on....the minority in this country (the open toed sandal brigade) feel that prisoners should have more rights than their victims.............idiots

Ted

I agree with you 100%.But the police have a problem with the judicial system that allows judges to set lower penalties and not send people to jail. For example, how many states have yet to pass Jessie's Law, 7 or 8 states. The ACLU will do all it can to stop the passing of this law and others. Best step, get rid of the ACLU.

gorglin

I agree with this 100%.....We need to support our Police and
law enforcement officers more, provide education about who
they are and what they do, in our communities....Alright we
do not want to take away their deterent value by teddybearising them, but, we do want to see to it that the
value and respect they deserve within their career choice
and field is observed...............I hate those criminals that jeer
and spit and urinate out of Police cars and Prison vans ------

They are really debasing themselves, and those Policemen
and Women out there --0--- you are fantastic, this is a job
most people do not do, or do not understand......when you
knock at the door, you should be welcomed even when you
are clutching a warrant in those beary paws of yours..............

SurfCop

Good on ya girl. Glad to see some of the UK still like us. Thank you.

Reported for insulting my belief

Am I to feel bad for some one who has no respect for laws???? How about those in prison for rape and murder of woman and little girls?? I am supposed to feel sorry for them. NO.

metiae65

Here Here! I completely agree. Especially when you get some of the ridiculous cases. E.g. the robber who sued the guy whose garage he was robbing becuase the door closed on him and he couldn't get out for 4 hours. He sued under grounds of trauma!
Peace
Metia
XO

Ian UK

You obviously have a lot of common sense in that head of yours!

Thanks for the support.

I do the job, to the best of my ability and it's frustrating to see the pathetic sentences that are passed these days by the Courts. Yes the prisons may be full but I would rather be spending my tax pounds on building more than on allowing prisoners to sue for breaches of human rights.

At the end of the day, it's our money that sends them to jail, our money that keeps them there, our money that was spent to defend them through legal aid when they were convicted, our money that 'pays' them when they 'work' in jail, our money that pays for their court case to sue under the human rights act and our money they get as compensation! Thereâ€™s something wrong somewhere along the line! (And I'm referring to those who actually pay tax here)

I've said it before and Iâ€™ll say it again. The human rights act is a good idea in principal but it's used abused and twisted by criminals.

I agree that criminalâ€™s rights should be forfeit when they get sent to jail. And who considers the rights of the victims?

ARTICLE 8 (human rights act)
RIGHT TO RESPECT FOR PRIVATE AND FAMILY LIFE
1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.

2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

This is breached by burglars who end up in jail as just one example, does anyone consider this when the burglar sues?

It's about time the government started standing up for itself and the citizens that elected it.

As for the Police having to put up with abuse etc, we obviously forfeit our human rights when we join the job because in my experience our human rights are breached regularly and there's definitely something wrong in that!

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