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Smoking in the car with children, communism?

we all know that smoking is bad for us, but where is it going to stop? California has banned smoking in your PERSONAL car when children are present.

banning smoking in your own home?

Telling you what to do in your PERSONAL private space is a type of communism?

Communism or not?


    




Tapas
Of course not. The government is allowed to enact laws to ensure the health and safety of citizens. This includes certain restrictions on personal freedoms if the law meets basic standards.

Cigarettes are not the same as they were even 10 years ago. They are much more intense and chemically-laden. They are designed to hook second-hand smokers quickly.

I know someone who had withdrawals when her neighbor went on vacation--she moved into a apt where the neighbor's smoke would come into her apt. She lived there two weeks before the neighbor left. Pretty scary.

I think one should be allowed to smoke in the privacy in one's own home AS LONG AS you contain the smoke in your own place. (Just like running water is not allowed to flood a neighbor's place.) Also, people exposed to smoke need to consent--therefore, minor children are not old enough to consent, but a spouse can.


junipero locke
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Communism implies a classless society where folks, out of their own goodwill, lend services to others; it's preceded by socialism where the govt takes control of most industries. But I think the sin tax stuff and other restrictions on personal consumption amount to govt being bigger than it ought to be.


cataraft_2000
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Well, since communism is actually an ECONOMIC system having to do with how wealth and resources are allocated, I'd say not.

Any social organization has an interest in protecting its own...especially its youngest citizens who are basically unable to protect themselves. Where the line is drawn is always an issue: how much should government intrude into an individual's 'freedom' in order to provide protection to those who need it. In a democracy this is done through voting and through our elected representatives. If you believe government has become too intrusive, it is up to you to convince enough others that's so, and then you can lobby or vote to make changes. In a totalitarian government, which is how I believe you are using the term 'communism' as a synonym for, you don't have much of a voice, if any, in those decisions.

In a democracy, its up to you to influence those types of governmental decisions. If you behave apathetically and do not engage in politics, then you might as well live under totalitarian rule, because you've voluntarily given up your rights. If you believe this is a real problem, you need to take political action to change it. Get involved. Become an activist. Run for office, or support those who do who have some of your same beliefs. At least write your state and local representatives. That would be a start.


Michele M
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Ahhh, big government debates. Gotta love it. I see your point and agree to a point. I like some regulation - and, there's got to be a reason for the regulation (hopefully not just lobbyist doing their thing)....I'm assuming they are finding an increased amount of parents smoking in cars with the kids? It's like carseats - regulations are needed to prevent what statistics prove increase harm to children.

There is a point to stop, however. I feel for the people trying to protect others with regulations and I feel for "us", who want to know where the line should be drawn and our right to privacy not violated.

I see both sides and can't equate it with communism however - because of the intent. Now - talk to me regarding the socialist healthcare ideas of Clinton, and I'm all about nipping that in the bud.


condor076
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Communism NOT

You are a MORON.
It is common sense not to some in a closed enviorment with your kids!!!!


paganmom
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Considering the amount of Medicaid I'm paying out to take care of a lot of those children, because they have many more health problems then children who are not around smoke, I really don't mind.
I think anyone who would smoke in a car full of people who cannot tell you to stop, are idiots.


R G
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Might be, but if you look at the children's perspective: telling them to breath the smoke from you cigarette is the same deal:

and also communism is not telling ppl what to do (since all type of governments do that: its called law), communism the the idea that every one is equal (in short)


Young C
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its not communism, its perserving the health of your kids. what type of person would smoke with their kids in the car, and give them lung cancer.

Do you want a lil invasion of privacy and Healthy kids, or complete liberty and Kids with lung cancer.

John Locke


jawa
how would they enforce those laws...break into your home and test everything???

It's good and bad in their respective ways...i do think that if you want to smoke and have children you should do it outside...


sabina-2004@sbcglobal.net
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As a parent I choose not to smoke in my car while my children are with me. If there where a law against it, I would consider it against my private rights. But on the other side it is dangerous to our children, somewhat tricky to answer. I vote for "just another way for them to make money of us smokers". If it would apply to my home, def. would go to far.


Wounded Duck
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NOT. It's just sad that we need to legislate good sense!


jack spicer
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don't children have rights to not be brought up in that? my parents smoked around me my entire life & i hated them for it. i would have loved this law back then.


blkmiss
I think smoking in your personal car with your personal children trapped inside is criminal. My mother used to do this crap to me! She forbade me from opening my window because so she said all of the smoke left from her side of the car....yeah, right. I say if you want to smoke designate a room & buy an air filter. Don't subject your entire family to your nerosis!!! My father smoked too. He smoked so much his fingers turned yellow. Eventually he wasn't able to go outside to smoke-they don't allow smoking inside the nursing home. Oh yeah, my father is 82 so there goes the theory that everyone who smokes dies an early death he started at age 10!

Let your children breath cigarette smoke free air!!


cdall1977
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Government has no place telling you what to do or not to do in your own space. People should not be afraid of their government, government should be afraid of it's people. But as a parent putting your wants and needs before your children's well being is just sorry!


Jimbo
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let me answer your question with a question
if the government told you that you couldn't shoot someone in your private home, would it be communism?


docie555@yahoo.com
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I believe the children should have their rigts too. But, as a smoker, I believe that we should have the right to smoke where we want to - as long as it's not harming anyone else. I also believe - that the government should keep their lousy hands off our personal rights! How long are we going to let them control our lives? It's our own fault and no one else's. We won't stand up and fight ------ so this is what we get.....................................…


Janice M
It is a way for the kids that haven't been given a say all this time to be safe and healthy in the car they are forced to ride in. I don't see how this is such a bad thing, common sense already should tell you not to be smoking in your car with your child in it also. But they can not pull you over just for that and give you a ticket they can only pull you over for something else and add that on.


whiskeyman510
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If people are dumb enough to smoke indoors with kids present then getting a ticket is the least that should happen.

Adults have a choice as to whether or not to risk lung cancer and a large chunk of their salary. They do not have the right to make that choice for anyone but themselves.

You have a right to do anything to yourself you want to in a private space, but your rights end where everyone else's rights begin.

In my world, kids would be taken away from anyone who smokes indoors or in a car with their kids. Clearly they don't deserve them if they would put their own bad habits above the health and well-being of their own kids.

And no, it's not communism. As others said, it would be totalitarian, and in this case, completely justified.


michael c
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You don't know what communism is apparently. Not being able to smoke in your car has nothing to do with it. Read up on it if you are curious.


JeffyB
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It has nothing to do with communism. Governments are often intrusive into our private lives when they perceive there is a public good to be served. Both parties do it.


Yamster Berry's Buddy
No. Not communism. Communism applies to economics, not personal choice. What your talking about could be construed as some kind of totalrisam.

However, I agree with the law. Children are not old enough to consent to smoke, nor could they make their parents not smoke. The law steps in to protect the people.


Samirah
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I quit even...4 mths ago.

As much as I hate to say this, it's best for the kids. (Second -hand smoke kills too!)

I get mad when my fiance' lights one up and we're all in the car on a family outing?


actionmikeaction
GOOD! you gotta be a sick *** weirdo to wanna smoke infront of children!. or people!.. You have an addiction.. just kill everyone else with your sick habbit. This isn't directed at you.. unless you are one of those people who does it.


iridezerodecks66@sbcglobal.net
Shoudn't the children have a right to not breath in the smoke??I find it irresponsible to smoke with children present...


kja63
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If you aren't smart enough to stop endangering the lives of your children, then I guess the government will have to step in and save them!

And you need to learn what Communism is. It has nothing to do with this law.


sh_e_l_l_s
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Im a smoker and personally don't want to smoke in my car when i have my daughter with me. It's just wrong and your child shouldn't have to suffer for your own bad habit. They're trying to pass it here and I agree with it cause I don't do it myself. I even go outside to smoke when I am at home. If you disagree I feel sorry for your little baby's lungs.


Ramona-please step back!
Children should be protected...they cannot speak for themselves..Just like car seats, or bicycle helmets...

but I agree (unless you are in an apartment) that you should be allowed to smoke in your own home.
Most smokers I KNOW, don't........they smoke outside.


EverydayJoe
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Anyone who smokes with their kids around is a complete idiot.


astralpen
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I think you must mean totalitarianism...


robert g
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big brother going to far





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