Attack on UK police - how do we deal with that?

Darkest	We should lock the little thugs up in some nice little americal jail. They'd think twice next time!

robert c	Send them to Borstal!

Anna123	Put things back to the olden days where single mothers had their children adopted into families that woukld bring them up properly, instead of encouraging people to have children just to be put at the top of the list for a council house and we would see less Vicky Pollards about. Either that or bring back the birch for horrible mouthy kids like that.

danor	its no good talking about the incident, we need real tough measures to deal with this sort of scum on our streets. Whats the problem, why cant we put the likes of this sh-t away for a few years to teach them a lesson in keeping our streets clean, obviously they are like a bunch of animals strutting about the place

B rob	Strange how the unbiased bbc only reported it as a mob!

Bamford1000	Attacks on police are nothing new, and occurred during the day and at night during the past. The difference being that the police back then would have beaten the two men who attacked them to a pulp, and if they weren't already badly injured they would be after they fell down the police station steps. If you look back in to history many areas were prone to mass riots and disorder, and police wouldn't even venture in to certain areas. It's called demythologising the past, and the article is very relevant. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/apr/22/ukcrime.society Here is one example: "Before the war" is often cited as the current golden age when people may have been poor but they didn't thieve and the public was orderly. Sir Robert Mark, Met commissioner and first media superstar cop, in his 1978 autobiography inadvertently reveals another picture of the rough and tumble of street life for a Manchester beat constable in the late 1930s. He writes cheerily of "the odd brawl and punch-up" when patrolling the city centre at weekends in strength "because drunks frequently started fights and a good time was had by all". Jovially he recounts a "funny" story: "One Friday night an enormous navvy pushed the head of a constable through a shop window and started quite a battle in which uniformed and plain clothes men cheerfully joined in ... it grew to quite serious proportions, stopping the traffic ... the crowd was jeering and becoming unpleasantly restive." So what did he do? He took out his illegal rubber truncheon and gave the offender "a hefty whack on the shin", which broke his leg. In court the prisoner with his leg in plaster was fined "the customary 10 shillings" for this routine Saturday night fight. But Mark's point is: "Far from there being any hard feelings he greeted me cheerfully and we went off for a drink together. Nowadays, of course, it would mean a complaint, an enquiry, papers to the director of public prosecutions. Not that I didn't deserve it, but times were different, thank goodness." His nostalgia is for no-nonsense, no-bureaucracy policing, but what he reveals in passing is a world where drunken riot was frequent, and sensibility about what crime is serious was very different. If a villain put a policeman's head through a window now it would be a major crime with a long sentence, not a bit of a laugh and a small fine. People hitting each other was more frequent and more acceptable than now. " Yet 48% of "violent" crime recorded today by the police actually causes no injury whatsoever to anyone. In the past the British Police were reguarly assaulted breaking up pub fights and disturbances, and there was actually far more public disorder than today. The police today are in fact much more capable of dealing with public order than in the past when riots were far more common, todays police can call on the resources of Support Groups such as the Mets TSG (Territorial Support Group), who are specially trained in public order and containing riots. Whilst todays police have far better, equipment, communications and protection than officers did in the past. A further myth is that the British Police have always been unarmed: "Actually, this issue has been debated for over a hundred years. In fact the Metropolitan Police back in 1884, after the murders of two constables, were given permission from the Commissioner of the day, to carry revolvers during uniformed night time patrols. These were called 'Comforters' and each Officer would make up their own mind if they wished to carry them. This was the nearest we have ever been to a fully armed service and that was over a hundred years ago. This remained the case until 1936 when the revolvers were taken off the constables and kept locked in a cupboard back at the station." http://www.met.police.uk/co19/history.htm

Oswald W	I cannot accept that the girl who sparked off the incident was some innocent youngster. She did not have to actually use the occasion to be defiant . However i wonder if the Police in challenging the Girl did so in a most abrasive and offencive manner that incited onlookers who later became part of the Mob that attacked them. I would want to take very strong measures against police attackers even if the Police here were less than sensitive because, we cannot allow such acts of intimidation and Violence to be condoned. Anarchy would follow easily if we did. Yes the people who acted in such a violent way should be severely punished even if they complain that they were provoked . Attacking an Officer of The Crown is NOT ON..

johnrowland490@btinternet.com	Do Not report this to the PC brigade or they are almost certain to round them up and send them on a hoiday at our expence

boo yah.	I don't think the colour of the assailants is significant. We all saw the post football match incident where the policeman got kicked to the ground by yobs and his arm broken. If that brave army medic hadn't intervened I believe he would have been killed. His attackers weren't black as far as I could see. I think it's just the complete breakdown of British society that's to blame. Nobody seems to have any respect for authority anymore. I believe that in order to retrieve our streets from these thugs we are going to have to support our police more. I think that in the end we will have to put up with a loss of our individual freedoms to put things right. It will come to the point when we are going to have to say "It's us or them." and support strong policing even to the point of looking away when things do go too far. We have always believed in this country that it's better for a thousand criminals to escape than a single innocent man get convicted. Maybe it's time to set that aside for a while and just back our police for a change.

lunchbox	people can cry `racists` all they like,bu the MAJORITY,of people who do violent crime on the streets are either black,or Somalian,where carrying a weapon/knife is part of their culture unfortunately....

CRAZY HORSE	Shocking - yes, colour maybe does come into 'this' incident (this time), but I must say that you only have to watch those fly on the wall police camera documentaries on Sky / satellite channels, or walk in a city on a Friday/Saturday night even. They are usually mostly white, usually under 25 and full of drink. However, all colours and races are seen 'in trouble' with the law. But, I take your point, it is very bad, there is little or no respect for law and order by this minority and I feel sorry for those (majorities) who do actually abide by the law that have to live in these areas. Peace and respect to you my friend.

xzxtxyx	I agree. Shoot the little punks.

pammy	Regardless of what you think of the police, when they get attacked like that, things have gotten out of control. I never thought i would say this, but I think it might be time to arm the police with guns. Scary.

bud	Shoot the little basta*ds, end of story

D	I agree with Phillip h arm the police. Especially with knife crime so bad now police need more protection.

Philip H â„¢	Give them guns and let them shoot their way out, 30 dead not a great loss in my book. I think if 30 of one ethnicity attack two of another it can definitely be classed as a racist attack.